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Post by slwrdr on Jan 29, 2011 17:41:33 GMT -5
I am no different than anyone else there are thieves in this industry among the agents and drivers. I have been called many names before by drivers that tried to run up their fuel cards and leave without notice and any other way they could think of to steal money from myself and the company. There are plenty of good companies and good agents out there but each and every one has been trashed by drivers in the past. Why do you think there is an adversarial attitude among everyone in this industry. The companies would love to work with professional drivers and keep them for a long time because it is expensive to replace drivers every time one decides that he doesn't have to call and let someone know he is not going to show up today for work.I understand that O/O want to be considered business owners but as a business owner wouldn't you call your customers when you had a job to do and could not make it? There are many companies out there now who run background checks on anyone who wants to be an agent. ( This was not the case in the past ) When drivers start policing themselves like they expect the company's to do maybe things will get better but either way drivers will have to step up and act like professionals soon to stay in this business, The new CSA2010 rules are going to drive many drivers into other jobs because they can not or will not conform to the gov't new standards. This in turn will drive up the pay for the ones that remain which will be a good thing for the company as well as the drivers. If any driver has a legitimate question about how something works from the steamship or trucking company business post up here and I will answer in as much detail as possible no exceptions.
But please lets keep it civil I don't need to waste my time anymore than you do with BS and name calling. Russell is another fish in the ocean of thieves in this town. I worked there for a short period too. It's refreshing to know your possibly an exception to this rule by even speaking on this forum. Maybe you are concerned over what we're all dealing with daily in this busniess. There are already plenty company rats on here including the ones that I work for with their sly remarks weekly about the trucker forum. We have a mutual understanding at the barn. They don't screw with me, cheat me out of my money(that I know about), don't bother converting me over with their BS, and I'll do them a good job in the city as long as I am making money.
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Post by Robert on Jan 30, 2011 9:04:02 GMT -5
maybe their should be a board on this forum for this. how about it hardtime? agents speakout or?
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Post by ftl on Jan 31, 2011 0:08:51 GMT -5
sldwr, thanks for the post, as an owner of a NJ trucking firm this business is tough for everyone. If any o/o or drivers have questions feel free to contact me also via PM or post.
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Post by flatwalkhome on Jan 31, 2011 9:44:21 GMT -5
slwrdr, man I ain't no leadership person but I will not haul for free ergo not in containers anymore and no one asked anyone to stroke anything of mine. and i sure am not cute...and you are right Russell is one of the BEST at thieving from his people(that's why I'm no longer there). so now we agree on at least a couple things. OK? NOW I'd like to apologize if I sounded sarcastic, that was not my intent. honestly, I hope you are the honest person you state you are. If so,,, could you please tell us what would be the problem (other than ink and paper)why you can't give your o/o's copies of the invoices for the loads they pull? Do you have a problem with anyone coming and asking to see them? Don't just say it's ok and then suddenly there's no freight for the guy that does. If you aren't hiding anything there's no reason you shouldn't. That would build trust I believe and transparency which is what's wrong with this segment of the industry. No one trusts the agent's or the ship lines cause there's nobody willing to SHOW the paperwork. Yea I know it's like buying a car,,, which invoice are they gonna show you... All right mr. slwrdr. You are on the inside,,, IF you were an o/o and in this business what would you do to assure you can make money.. We all know there's some loads that you'll lose your behind on... If you get one of those and a guy turns it down is there a repurcussion??? Most if they answer honestly would say yes. I don't know. I imagine that your agency is like most other models it's based on cash flow regardless of whether there is a profit for the guy that pulls it or not, you get your cut and that adds up to profits cause the overhead does not include fuel, tire, etc,.?? Now please don't be offended over this post. you called me out and I just wanted to clarify the record. The ONLY reason I'm still posting here is that I have so many friends still in containers. And transparency is the one issue that I see holding this business down for them... no one is SURE that what their agent tells them a load pays is for real. That and the fact that there is repurcussions from most agencies if you turn stuff down. With that said I'll reiterate one of Russell's favorite sayings"75% of 200.00 is better than 75% of nothing" my response is yep it is if you're Russell and you get 50.00 out of the load and got no fuel or tires or insurance to buy, whether the guy pulling it makes a dime, you got yours.. Have a good day and lets not be bickering on here it serves no purpose. Maybe someday I can buy ya a cup of coffee and again my apology to you if I offended or sounded smart that was not my intent.
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Post by slwrdr on Jan 31, 2011 18:45:17 GMT -5
flatwalkhome, I appreciate you posing back up and if I took your earlier post wrong you have my apology. I have no problem with the drivers asking to see the freight invoice if they are paid by percentage as a matter of fact it is your right and the law. I would not give you a copy of the customers paperwork because it contains data that the customer and myself do not want everyone see. As an agent you don't need your drivers taking paperwork with them if they leave to a competitor who will then cut your rate by $5 and then get your freight. No customer is loyal anymore if someone beats your price you either meet it or loose it and that's the cold hard truth. There are some loads that you loose money on but I don't ask a driver to haul it for free. Here is the breakdown for the average agency in Savannah 100% 72-75% to driver 10-13% for agent 15% to Parent Company Some company's take up to 17% but the average is 15% Savannah to Atlanta Load. 248 miles at 2.30 per mile = $570.40 Driver pay 72% = $410.688 73% = $416.392 74% = $422.096 75% = $427.8 Agent pay at 85% Driver 72% = agent 13% =$74.152 Driver 73 % = agent 12% = $68.448 Driver 74% = agent 11% = $62.744 Driver 75% = agent 10% = $57.04 From these examples you can work any rate that your company tells you and see if the pay is what it is suppose to be. I also appreciate the offer of a cup of coffee but I am one of the thieves mentioned on this website by name. So you ask your self why would I post this up ? I have always respected and held drivers in the highest esteem even when the have called me many names, you have a hard job and don't make a lot of money to show for it.I have never stolen anything from a driver but have taken money from drivers when it was owed. If you leave owing money and I as a company employee am told to take it out of your check by the company's owners so be it. I have to feed my family just like you. My biggest problem with drivers in Savannah is that they think that a dispatcher or even a Terminal Manager in Savannah makes the decision to take money out of your check or escrow. What they need to realize is the local people have to report to someone too and they need a check just like you do .I have seen companies go out of business and the local drivers blame the dispatcher and terminal manager when they are out of a job too and didn't get paid either. Know for the agent haters out there. An agent will usually be charged back if you leave owing Fuel,Per Diem anything for an Accident etc. so every time a driver leaves it can be an economic hit to the agent also. Russel is a terrible agent who cheated drivers out of money for years but the real driver hater there was his wife she is the brains behind the business. Hope that answers some of your questions. slwrdr, man I ain't no leadership person but I will not haul for free ergo not in containers anymore and no one asked anyone to stroke anything of mine. and i sure am not cute...and you are right Russell is one of the BEST at thieving from his people(that's why I'm no longer there). so now we agree on at least a couple things. OK? NOW I'd like to apologize if I sounded sarcastic, that was not my intent. honestly, I hope you are the honest person you state you are. If so,,, could you please tell us what would be the problem (other than ink and paper)why you can't give your o/o's copies of the invoices for the loads they pull? Do you have a problem with anyone coming and asking to see them? Don't just say it's ok and then suddenly there's no freight for the guy that does. If you aren't hiding anything there's no reason you shouldn't. That would build trust I believe and transparency which is what's wrong with this segment of the industry. No one trusts the agent's or the ship lines cause there's nobody willing to SHOW the paperwork. Yea I know it's like buying a car,,, which invoice are they gonna show you... All right mr. slwrdr. You are on the inside,,, IF you were an o/o and in this business what would you do to assure you can make money.. We all know there's some loads that you'll lose your behind on... If you get one of those and a guy turns it down is there a repurcussion??? Most if they answer honestly would say yes. I don't know. I imagine that your agency is like most other models it's based on cash flow regardless of whether there is a profit for the guy that pulls it or not, you get your cut and that adds up to profits cause the overhead does not include fuel, tire, etc,.?? Now please don't be offended over this post. you called me out and I just wanted to clarify the record. The ONLY reason I'm still posting here is that I have so many friends still in containers. And transparency is the one issue that I see holding this business down for them... no one is SURE that what their agent tells them a load pays is for real. That and the fact that there is repurcussions from most agencies if you turn stuff down. With that said I'll reiterate one of Russell's favorite sayings"75% of 200.00 is better than 75% of nothing" my response is yep it is if you're Russell and you get 50.00 out of the load and got no fuel or tires or insurance to buy, whether the guy pulling it makes a dime, you got yours.. Have a good day and lets not be bickering on here it serves no purpose. Maybe someday I can buy ya a cup of coffee and again my apology to you if I offended or sounded smart that was not my intent.
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Post by jerry williams on Jan 31, 2011 19:50:23 GMT -5
savannah to atlanta rate should be at least $800.00 to truck. $400.00 makes fuel payment to pilot. i don't run atlanta any more. I can't understand how those that do for this amount of money can make it without stealing fuel from somewhere? this is exactly why truckers are in the shape thay are today. the customers are having a freaking discount holiday even though there is a shortage of trucks. i guess there is an endless supply of people who will work free for the fun of driving while running their truck into the ground.
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Post by slrdr on Jan 31, 2011 21:49:03 GMT -5
The rate quoted above was just for informational purposes not as an actual rate. I do think it is close but I think some customers pay more and some might even pay less. savannah to atlanta rate should be at least $800.00 to truck. $400.00 makes fuel payment to pilot. i don't run atlanta any more. I can't understand how those that do for this amount of money can make it without stealing fuel from somewhere? this is exactly why truckers are in the shape thay are today. the customers are having a freaking discount holiday even though there is a shortage of trucks. i guess there is an endless supply of people who will work free for the fun of driving while running their truck into the ground.
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Post by ftl on Jan 31, 2011 21:59:57 GMT -5
Spot on most margins for owners/agents is $75 to $100 bucks if your luck + paying office staff and yourself.
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Post by jerry williams on Jan 31, 2011 23:12:49 GMT -5
The rate quoted above was just for informational purposes not as an actual rate. I do think it is close but I think some customers pay more and some might even pay less. savannah to atlanta rate should be at least $800.00 to truck. $400.00 makes fuel payment to pilot. i don't run atlanta any more. I can't understand how those that do for this amount of money can make it without stealing fuel from somewhere? this is exactly why truckers are in the shape thay are today. the customers are having a freaking discount holiday even though there is a shortage of trucks. i guess there is an endless supply of people who will work free for the fun of driving while running their truck into the ground. I wasn't taking your atlanta example rate to heart. i was merely stating a fact about destination atlanta which always has been the strongest and now the cheapest freight corridor from savannah. i know several guys that pull containers there and return for the whopping some of $560 - $580 round trip. that's not a business. it's one foot in bankruptcy. as soon as they break something expensive the game is over. that is unless the trucking company funds them for repairs but wait, they just dig a deeper hole which eventually closes in around them anyway. i love the new o/o trucking advertising gimmick "this amount per week is what you take home after fuel." yeah the only trucking expense is fuel. right! wonder how many suckers out here really believe after paying diesel for the trip the rest of the money remaining can go toward anything you feel like spending it on? what the hell happened to this industry in the past twenty five years?
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Post by cheezburger on Feb 1, 2011 7:19:56 GMT -5
Jerry you can take that Atlanta rate to heart because he is dead on target.i know a company pulling Atlanta for 575 gross + 16% fsc every day and they probably are not the cheapest
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Post by chuck on Feb 1, 2011 7:46:13 GMT -5
u drivers might start by holding a special meeting geared toward educating those who don't have a clue how much it cost to operate a class 8 truck. i bet the odds are only 2 out of 10 the ones who can tell you how much per mile their diesel cost are.
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Post by ballcap on Feb 2, 2011 15:30:03 GMT -5
I bet it's more like one in twenty who know any operational cost. I mentioned to one driver the other day about a bad oil leak under his truck. He told me it didn't make any difference to him. He was going to run it spewing oil until they came to take it anyway. I know there are a good many of you on this forum working out at the GPA every day. GOD man - look around at all the idiots behind the wheel and how they treat their poor trucks. No wonder we get no respect. I really hope you guys are wrong but I don't see more then a handful who may give a sh^t about doing anything out of the way to make this job better.
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Post by lilbit on Feb 20, 2011 19:08:38 GMT -5
this is exactly why someone needs to start holding monthly educational meetings on this topic!!
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Post by obama on Apr 8, 2011 6:29:18 GMT -5
if local trucking companies really wanted to work together with area truckers to see change but understandably remain behind the lines due to frightful nightmares of federal intervention they would surely support a driver group who took on the dirty work. seems there would be many who would encourage their owner,operators,drivers to join with their blessings. you would think a group of knowledgeable despicable rebels that could carry out such a battle plan would perhaps be welcomed in a don't ask don't tell sort of way. oh no - each time it looks like there may be something of a meeting in the works or drivers are simply gathering to exchange ideas here comes the motor carrier police with threats to terminate leases or blackball attendees. those threats really amount to total bulls#@t in this industry. only truckers uninformed of their rights fall for that baloney. jobs are a dime a dozen in this typical port business atmosphere. it's sad we can't reach some common ground between truckers and company ownership. there's still a possibility though that goal could eventually be accomplished privately among the few of us who understand what needs to happen to correct the overall problem. so what else is it? the majority of savannah companies are happy with the current rate cutting chaos they have helped create? one would think breaking the low ball rates up permanently would put smiles on peoples faces, bring together strange bed fellows but that seems to have the opposite effect in this area. why is that? are there that many control freaks running local trucking companies? are the majority in this business really dumb to the facts? don't want change? scared of being caught up in some government antitrust violation? just totally greedy? refuse to play under any rules in the same sand box no matter what could be the gain or is there another hidden agenda here we're missing? i could see the customer owned companies fighting tooth/n/nail but how about the rest who depend on making it off moving freight? scary isn't it talking about trashing this great system we have now of doing business where anyone can open shop, anytime, anywhere, haul whatever, however, whenever, as cheap as they possibly can move it? the dark prehistoric days everyone hated so much are long past of any real transportation regulation. how about it-were they really so dark after all? it's all good now right?
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Post by c33osd on Apr 8, 2011 7:32:32 GMT -5
lol with this driver. look at the crowd on both sides your dealing with.
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Post by tman on Apr 8, 2011 9:58:37 GMT -5
enough of talk.call for a port shutdown.everyone park there trucks for four full weeks. o one move anything.
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Post by southernicet on Apr 8, 2011 14:58:29 GMT -5
hey ya got my vote mr. obama. obama the poster that is. i don't believe the trucking companies will go along with whatever the plan your talking about but one can never say never for sure. for what it's worth ya have my undivided attention. i would like to learn more.
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Post by tranway on Apr 8, 2011 21:48:21 GMT -5
man we could shut everyone of these companies down once a week if the driver support was out here. the standard rate would be $3.00 a loaded mile including real fuel surcharge added to that. what is the secret to getting these pinheads to think about something besides full speed ahead 24/7? does fuel have to hit $8.00 dollars a gallon?
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Post by catlitter on Apr 22, 2011 6:26:12 GMT -5
when fuel hits eight dollars a gallon the surcharge will still allow those so-called pinheads to run clearing just enough to call them self making money. probably somewhere around forty cents above cost of diesel. the agents have this down to a science of how much the average joe will operate his truck for until he loses it to next ready to hold the steering wheel. wake up & look around the port. have you ever seen such a bunch of zombies?
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Post by 2jac on May 5, 2011 14:03:29 GMT -5
when fuel hits eight dollars a gallon the surcharge will still allow those so-called pinheads to run clearing just enough to call them self making money. probably somewhere around forty cents above cost of diesel. the agents have this down to a science of how much the average joe will operate his truck for until he loses it to next ready to hold the steering wheel. wake up & look around the port. have you ever seen such a bunch of zombies? this is so true driver. i really don't know anymore if i want to even be in this business. it sure doesn't look like any change will happen. we can only blame our self for this mess by letting these companys get away with stealing from the owner operator for so long.
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Post by shorthaul on Oct 31, 2011 22:07:12 GMT -5
I feel so sorry for the port drivers they really gets the short end of the stick I have been in trucking for 14 years and I've heard drivers complain about the port and about the companies but the sad thing about it all they dont realizes that they have the power to do something about it they need to stop crying and start doing something even if it's wrong just do something
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Post by dex on Nov 5, 2011 7:15:18 GMT -5
we need to do something for sure. what? i dont know? some fellows here have good ideas but many wont listen. i give it until summer 2012. my truck will be paid for and i will find other work if things dont change in savannah
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Post by drayerman2 on Nov 19, 2011 8:02:11 GMT -5
It is my understanding that an Agent/Motor Carrier works a website looking for Loads for their customers. They pay the fee to get it out of the Port. Unless its a FREE day. We Dray it out. The Agent/Motor Carrier already knows what the Box is paying. Its posted. The total to pull the box, deliver it and Dray it back in loaded or empty is all figured into the final figure. In that figure is how much it is paying to deliver it, Fuel surcharge BOTH WAYS, Fees for ALL Overweight permits to get it there and if its Hazmat, the extra fees for that. It comes out to be a hefty sum. However, the owner of those MC Numbers will take $50 for bagging the load, about $60-75 for Hazmat, $50 for the Overweight permits because its the Agents permits you are using. Then he passes the money to us. Whatever was agreed in the contract. The rest they keep. The Drayage comes off YOUR bottom line. Some companies pay your IFTA, Some offer to pay you 76% but charge YOU for the Insurance on the boxes. Its all a game to them. Thats why Motor Carriers put the Overweights on O/O Trucks and not their Company Trucks. They pass the wear ad tear to us and laugh.
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Post by bxagnt on Nov 25, 2011 7:38:24 GMT -5
it's more feasible not to own any trucks. let the o/o do everything. better yet sell remaining trucks to drivers making them o/o without any employee tax headache. if the driver can't pay for the truck resell it twenty times over. the best of both worlds. profit from the o/o who brings his own truck and profit from drivers who have no credit to purchase a truck. percentage means nothing if they have no proof of how much is being billed to the customer so keep everyone happy with where they want to run first. most likely there will be no embarrassing questions with happy drivers. run a tight ship keeping out agitators.
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Post by drayerman2 on Nov 26, 2011 11:57:05 GMT -5
You got it . I believe that is already practiced. LOL! Its called "Lease Purchase." Hellas has been doing it forever. Most of their Road Trucks are Lease Purchase. Driver quits, start a new lease. Some guys paid for their Trucks 3 times. They still dont own it. Eventually guys are gonna break away and get their own numbers activated again. Tired of the Middle man.
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