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Post by chickenhauler on Feb 12, 2010 21:54:29 GMT -5
i have to go make a check on a reefer unit. later everyone.
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Post by largecar on Feb 12, 2010 22:30:06 GMT -5
Yeah "OK" guys. I just joined this forum and spent a lot of time reading over the posts. Everyone is crying for some meeting to happen. VA drivers aren't gonna band together and shut her down. Put down the pipe. First, I am a member of the organization you are trashing. Anyways, it's not monthly dues. It's $65 bucks a year. After I signed up I got $100.00 free fuel, plus a decent discount on what I buy. Since the beginning of the year, I've already put over $640 bucks BACK in my pocket after buying some tires and a few misc. parts. As the year goes on, my pocket will get even fatter with savings. I get an excellent return on my $65.00 investment. Thanks OOCVA! I want no parts of your pro-union ILA crap. ILA doesn't care about me. Think I'm wrong? GO to NIT and ask one of the checkers who are not working and instead talking on their darn cell phone right this moment. You wanna be a union man, GO WORK FOR UPS! You wanna be an owner operator, it's time to step up and be a business man. That's what this is. A business. You think a union is gonna come in and fix all these issues? Right. Even through the recession I still made money. I watched my expenses, saved a lot of money (OOCVA again), refused cheap loads and did as much of my own service as I could. When I got stuck at the port and dispatch could not help me, the coalition did! When my old carrier tried to stiff my escrow, I got it back. Seems like they are doing something right. FYI- two other drivers I work with just joined last week. I get sick and tired of all the idiotic talk on the radio, this place is just more of the same. Good luck with your union. I'm deleting this account now. Hey don't touch that delete button, ooops to late, just flushed himself down the toilet  |
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Post by largecar on Feb 12, 2010 22:38:18 GMT -5
i would say first step is to locate a place to meet. next call a meeting by word of mouth or handing out a few leaflets to help spread the word. use the space provided on this trucker web forum by handing out the link to the site. when folk show up have an orderly exchange of ideas. from the start someone or a few individuals must assume leadership for order.have someone take down names, phone numbers, and general minutes of this meeting. ask for volunteers to help seek answers to what issues are discussed at this meeting and what if anything can be done to correct these issues. if enough interest generated in the first meeting set a date while everyone is still at this meeting for the second allowing time to prepare an agenda. chose those that are willing to find out info or be speakers on the problems discussed at the next meeting. once this meeting schedule becomes a reality ask for volunteer contributions from those attending to pay for expenses. do not ask for membership dues. most folk like to be asked to contribute not forced to pay monthly membership dues until you have established a track record of benefit to the members involved. study past or present driver associations to avoid repeating mistakes they have made. Hey friend , good advice for everyone. I hope sure these guys appreciate you putting this down to start them off out the gate. We know a few on here that don't seem to get the big picture but they'll burn themselves out being stupid. |
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Post by Johnson73 on Feb 12, 2010 23:46:43 GMT -5
funny , I thought that guy was going to delete his account ? If you don't like what is said here , go to the OOCVA site, that way they can censor what is posted on their, oh I mean YOUR site. EVERYONE has a right to their own opinion. you may not like it, I may not either, but, THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT SO GET OVER IT ! Speaking of the other group ,, other than have a discount club , what have they done to shorten the lines at the ports ? what have they done to decrease the interchange times at the gates , what have they done to increase the number of repaired chassis that the drivers have to choose from ? WHAT ABOUT THE LINES AND TIME IT TAKES TO GET INTO THE TRANSFER ZONES ? NOT A D*#N THING THAT I CAN SEE. I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE, JUST THAT THE VIT MANAGEMENT DOESN'T TAKE ANY ONE OR ANY THREAT SERIOUS, AT LEAST NOT YET ! what have YOU done? |
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 13, 2010 11:13:45 GMT -5
to this Johnson 73 guy, more than you have ever dreamed of doing ! I have traveled half way across the world to be at a press conference in Copenhagen Denmark and testified before a Parliment inquiry about how AMP treats it's employees and how it treats Owner OPs who were leased to companies that at that time it owned. I have arranged meetings, even a shut down/protest or two . I have stood out side the gates to the ports handing out fliers in the rain with port police taking my picture. I have arranged meetings at the Teamster Hall back in the early 2000's . I also testified before a Senate committee about the poor condition of the chassis , AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS THE ONLY d**n DRIVER IN THIS ENTIRE AREA THAT SHOWED UP ! I HAVE DONE MORE THAN YOU ! WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE , OTHER THAN RUN YOUR MOUTH ?
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Post by realowneroperator on Feb 13, 2010 12:50:25 GMT -5
I may be wrong but did I see on here that shortcircut is a company driver.
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 13, 2010 13:03:15 GMT -5
I am a owner operator now . was company driver from o6 to spring of 09 . bought and owned a truck from 2000 to 05, then bought my 6th truck in june 09 .
And something else I have done, I have been to Owner Operator meetings in Baltimore and in Savannah
so again, I ask this Johnson 73 guy , what the hell have you done to help the cause ?
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 13, 2010 13:22:54 GMT -5
as far as being a "realowneroperator" just because you have your own authority , well , that is simply a matter of opinion. I know guys who have up to 12 trucks , I have turned down a $6 million dollar contract with the US Postal service, I know guys who do have their authority , NOT ONE IS ANY MORE OF A REAL " OWNER OPERATOR" THAN THE OTHER !
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Post by realowneroperator on Feb 13, 2010 13:25:26 GMT -5
I have tried my best to Discourage any body that has approached me about becoming a truck owner, and that is all you and I are ,not to burden them selves with such a foolish move . The container industry is not the place to be a owner operator. This is just my opinion . And there is no cause in port managements eyes.
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 13, 2010 13:28:51 GMT -5
you are very right . we are just pawns on a Chess board for the Ports to move where they want
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Post by realowneroperator on Feb 13, 2010 13:40:09 GMT -5
My user name is simply rhetorical being a real owner operator is something I had dreamed about since I was a little kid . That dream is over and I am parking my tractor . This sight has helped me realize this and I am done . Good luck fellas your going to need lots.
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 13, 2010 13:40:58 GMT -5
Just curious , to the double stacks clown, IF YOU WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY UNION, THEN WHY DO YOU ATTEND MEETINGS IN THE STEEL WORKERS UNION HALL ? WHAT A HYPOCRIT !
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Post by confusedtrucker on Feb 13, 2010 14:36:56 GMT -5
Hey shortcircut , have you been to any of the meetings ? I haven't seen you there
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Post by chickenhauler on Feb 13, 2010 15:08:26 GMT -5
My user name is simply rhetorical being a real owner operator is something I had dreamed about since I was a little kid . That dream is over and I am parking my tractor . This sight has helped me realize this and I am done . Good luck fellas your going to need lots. I wouldn't hang up the keys just yet driver. 2010 is about to get interesting is what I have been told. |
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 13, 2010 15:30:17 GMT -5
confused trucker, I stopped going. to much repeativness . they are saying and doing the same things as all the previous groups.
THERE IS ONLY ONE ANSWER TO ALL THE PROBLEMS ON THE LOCAL PIERS. REGUARDLESS OF DIFFERENCES IN OPINIONS , THE DRIVERS MUST FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF WE FOUGHT THE STEAMSHIPLINES AND CARRIERS AS HARD AS WE DO EACH OTHER, THEY WOULD BE ON THEIR KNEES , CRYING, AND BEGGING TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT THEM TO GIVE US !
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Post by doublestacks on Feb 14, 2010 16:54:24 GMT -5
Just curious , to the double stacks clown, IF YOU WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY UNION, THEN WHY DO YOU ATTEND MEETINGS IN THE STEEL WORKERS UNION HALL ? WHAT A HYPOCRIT ! Clown? You're an IDIOT! The group meets there because its a central and easy to get to location I assume. Has nothing to do with unionizing. |
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Post by KJ55 on Feb 14, 2010 17:48:31 GMT -5
>>>I want no parts of your pro-union ILA crap. ILA doesn't care about me. Think I'm wrong? GO to NIT and ask one of the checkers who are not working and instead talking on their darn cell phone right this moment. You wanna be a union man, GO WORK FOR UPS! You wanna be an owner operator, it's time to step up and be a business man. That's what this is. A business. You think a union is gonna come in and fix all these issues? Right.<<<
But u have to admit.why would someone so anti union attend any type meeting in a union hall?btw: to the poster shortcircut i believe it's the iron workers hall not steelworkers in virginia beach. wonder if they know that such anti union folk like this poster are using their hall?i thought this guy hit his delete button anyway.what's he still doing hanging around if he doesn't agree with anythind posted on here and hates this forum so much?i guess it's same reason he meets in the union hall.double talk not double stacks!
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Post by szudzbf on Feb 14, 2010 18:05:28 GMT -5
>>>I want no parts of your pro-union ILA crap. ILA doesn't care about me. Think I'm wrong? GO to NIT and ask one of the checkers who are not working and instead talking on their darn cell phone right this moment. You wanna be a union man, GO WORK FOR UPS! You wanna be an owner operator, it's time to step up and be a business man. That's what this is. A business. You think a union is gonna come in and fix all these issues? Right.<<< But u have to admit.why would someone so anti union attend any type meeting in a union hall?btw: to the poster shortcircut i believe it's the iron workers hall not steelworkers in virginia beach. wonder if they know that such anti union folk like this poster are using their hall?i thought this guy hit his delete button anyway.what's he still doing hanging around if he doesn't agree with anythind posted on here and hates this forum so much?i guess it's same reason he meets in the union hall.double talk not double stacks! OK dummy. How is this one for you. Do you love the Port? Do you love the Port Officials? Do you love the steamship lines? Prob not, right? THEN, why do you work out of the Port? Is that not contradictory? I came here to check this place out. You guys talk about how you allow different points of view and free posting this and that. I viewed mine and YOU HYPOCRITS start trying to sling mud. My personal opinion is just that-my opinion and I'm entitled to it. The truth is , a few of you guys here aren't open to anyone else's opinion if they differ from your own. THAT'S HYPOCRITICAL. GROW UP! |
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Post by KJ55 on Feb 14, 2010 18:10:42 GMT -5
u forgot to include
>>>I'm deleting this account now<<<
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Post by Doublestacks on Feb 14, 2010 18:17:21 GMT -5
u forgot to include >>>I'm deleting this account now<<< Just what I thought. Instead of discussing a varying opinion like an adult, you continue acting like a child. Perhaps this is why your current situation. Like I said, Grow up. Child. |
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Post by KJ55 on Feb 14, 2010 19:01:15 GMT -5
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>>>Yeah "OK" guys.
I just joined this forum and spent a lot of time reading over the posts. Everyone is crying for some meeting to happen. VA drivers aren't gonna band together and shut her down. Put down the pipe.
First, I am a member of the organization you are trashing. Anyways, it's not monthly dues. It's $65 bucks a year. After I signed up I got $100.00 free fuel, plus a decent discount on what I buy. Since the beginning of the year, I've already put over $640 bucks BACK in my pocket after buying some tires and a few misc. parts. As the year goes on, my pocket will get even fatter with savings. I get an excellent return on my $65.00 investment. Thanks OOCVA!
I want no parts of your pro-union ILA crap. ILA doesn't care about me. Think I'm wrong? GO to NIT and ask one of the checkers who are not working and instead talking on their darn cell phone right this moment.
You wanna be a union man, GO WORK FOR UPS! You wanna be an owner operator, it's time to step up and be a business man. That's what this is. A business. You think a union is gonna come in and fix all these issues? Right.
Even through the recession I still made money. I watched my expenses, saved a lot of money (OOCVA again), refused cheap loads and did as much of my own service as I could. When I got stuck at the port and dispatch could not help me, the coalition did! When my old carrier tried to stiff my escrow, I got it back. Seems like they are doing something right.
FYI- two other drivers I work with just joined last week. I get sick and tired of all the idiotic talk on the radio, this place is just more of the same.
Good luck with your union.
I'm deleting this account now. <<<
this is your first post sir.maybe u should read it over again. u had your mind made up when u came on this driver forum that these truckers who are serous about doing something are wrong.u came for one reason only. to start trouble blasting what they are planing to do so there is no discussion here with you only foolishness.u are such an expert but i see no plan here u have discussed? maybe i missed that some where. was it posted under something else? i would like to hear in detail the plan u have to solve these many problems confronting us including a floor for a reasonable rate we can all haul for. can u post any of that? not to worry u already seem to be perfectly happy just wher u are at.go back to your discounts and making your pockets fatter with all the savings. i will go back to listening to the knowledge i have found on this site from those who seem willing to help others with their expertise. there are many of us who need this kind of help in virginia but it's good u are such a real pro trucker and know how to scrimp and save in todays world. i never thought of doing that myself in all the years of trucking at the ports. i hand the floor to u for the rest of this evening. again have a nice day.
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Post by oboy@ivorva on Feb 14, 2010 22:22:00 GMT -5
Hello everybody. I have been busy for a few days installing a new clutch. Evidently I have missed most all the latest action on the forum. I would really like to see all Virginia truckers work together but you can't please everyone. This is the very reason why most everything we do here ends in failure due to back seat quarterbacks who don't see the big picture. Whatever we do has to include everyone not a select few that can be so-called real truckers. So I don't understand why anyone would not want to be a part of a new system that could give us a voice as well as equal control instead of this one sided work relationship we have now as a lessee of the lessor.
I'm an O/O no matter if I lease to some company, pull their trailer, my trailer, or haul my own material. The only thing O/O means is I'm the owner of the tractor and the operator of it nothing more nothing less.
I now understand what hardtime talks about when he refers to an employee/lease-operator. It took a while for it all to sink in as he described the different laws that we had to conform to in order to make certain things work in our favor but I believe this is the beginning of something powerful. Maybe it won't please everyone but the majority of truckers out at the port will be winners.
I am excited about having a meeting here in the coming weeks to hear fresh new ideas. Everyone else should be too.
KJ55 if you like what your hearing on this site than don't worry about the back ground noise. Just keep watching, listening, and joining in as I'm going to continue to do.
I myself find this idea of a trucker hiring hall and co-op fascinating. If we had known of an idea like this before I believe drivers here would already have been working in that direction. This should blow drivers away at a meeting here. I hope that will be possible sooner than later.
We need for everyone to get along and respect each other but if some can't stomach the idea that other truckers are dissatisfied and may be taking another approach than so be it. There may or may not be two separate associations started in Virginia but that doesn't concern me the slightest. I want to be part of what's being discussed here now because I think from talking off line with a few of these guys they can back up the facts.
I haven't trashed the Norfolk association even though I am not a member of it so I don't like being lumped into your negative category because I'm an avid member of this forum. I'm sure others don't either but then I don't think from your post they take you as any credible authority on these matters anyway twin stacks.
From what I hear around the port many drivers don't think the current organization is the best possible answer for all the drivers. That may or may not be true. Like I said before, that's not my business and it doesn't concern me.
Before discovering this port trucker forum a few months ago I thought our situation was hopelessly buried in muck. I don't feel that way any longer after reading the information posted by truckers from these different ports. I also have had the opportunity to discuss the concerns I had by phone so I am satisfied this is a fine program to be involved in.
Maybe soon many more will feel as I do once the word spreads.
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 15, 2010 17:37:42 GMT -5
hey double stacks, so If I am an idiot , then why are you getting so upset ? also , again , WHAT THE HE*L HAVE YOU DONE FOR ANY OF THE DRIVERS IN THIS AREA, EXCEPT RUN YOUR BIG MOUTH ?
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 15, 2010 18:07:11 GMT -5
oboy , I wasn't disrespecting the other " group" if that is what you think. I was merely stating, other than creating a Charter, an idea that an outsider came up with, not the other group, that they have done the same things that previous groups have done before them. Opening communications with VIT management ( already done) , talking with the Director of HRCP ( already done) , having regular meetings, already done.
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Post by shortcircut on Feb 18, 2010 20:31:51 GMT -5
so let me guess, if you don't agree with double stacks , then you are a childish clown ? Ha, he is the immature one.
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