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Post by standby on Mar 10, 2011 15:59:16 GMT -5
The current national fuel surcharge rates for various shipping methods, effective March 10, 2011 are listed below: Based on national average price at the pump of diesel fuel @ $3.81 per gallon.
Dedicated Truck Load Fuel Surcharge Rate (Truck Load) = $0.62/mile FSC . Is your company billing the customer anything close to this? Are you really getting 100% of the true FSC? Anything else & your just sucking the bottom of the tank trucker.
Truck Load Fuel Surcharge Rate (LTL) = 59.00% Less than Truck Load (LTL) Fuel Surcharge Rate = 29.60% UPS Air Fuel Surcharge Rate = 10.00% UPS Ground Fuel Surcharge Rate = 6.50%
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Post by jjharris on Apr 1, 2011 6:30:55 GMT -5
at $3.98 per gallon pump price the average mileage is costing .79.6cnts per every mile u drive ur tractor pulling the steel box. $1.00 a mile offered by these agents is a stupid insult. can u operate ur tractor for any less then .70 cents? that is what u should be adding to the .79.6cents per mile fuel cost making it $1.49.6 per mile.
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Post by slwrdr on Apr 1, 2011 8:27:19 GMT -5
THe average FSC for Container companies in Savannah now is or should be between 27%-32%. If you are not getting this then you should find another carrier.
THe average rate in Savannah at this time is somewhere around $2.40 a loaded mile or $1.20 for all miles which means that at 75% you should be getting :
$ 2.40 x 75% = $ 1.80 or .90 per mile +
$2.40 x .28 = .672 0r .36 per mile
Which would put you at $1.26 per mile if you are not getting at least this you should find another company.
Now as far as 59% FSC for truck load is based on one way miles not round trip miles so if you are getting 29% FSC both ways then you are actually getting what you have posted above.
I would like for you to explain where you came up with .70 cents per mile operating cost if you would?
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Post by bobtailbob on Apr 1, 2011 16:28:04 GMT -5
i would suspect driver pay is included in that 70 cents above fuel cost which to me is a low ball figure. pretty cheap for driver pay, variable cost, fixed cost all combined together. i imagine average truck driver pay is running .38 to .46 per mile. that is if you want to retain any decent driver to stay without benefits. let's just say if you get a driver at 40 cents. of coarse the owner operator in this situation is the driver, possibly mechanic, and book keeper so you take that forty from the gentleman's seventy cents he quoted and that leaves thirty cents for the rest of the trucking operating cost. how do you do this for $126 without stealing from the truck revenue to pay yourself or does the trucking community figure your labor is free of charge. i'm afraid you drivers hauling containers for this amount are like the deer basking in the headlights facing the big one.
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Post by bigblacktruck on Apr 1, 2011 19:12:11 GMT -5
I find it amazing that most truckers I talk with don't even consider calculating a salary for them self when figuring their operational cost. Your right on the money with this. It's a big problem out here in the jungle.
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Post by slwrdr on Apr 3, 2011 8:58:47 GMT -5
at $3.98 per gallon pump price the average mileage is costing .79.6cnts per every mile u drive ur tractor pulling the steel box. $1.00 a mile offered by these agents is a stupid insult. can u operate ur tractor for any less then .70 cents? that is what u should be adding to the .79.6cents per mile fuel cost making it $1.49.6 per mile. More on the above screwed up cost. $3.98 cents per gallon and your running cost are .796 cents per mile mean you are averaging 5 miles to the gallon. Assuming this is true you should do 1 of 2 things sell your truck or park it because it is so old it should not be on the road. The average truck today is probably averaging over 6 miles to the gallon so this would drop your cost to .66 cents per mile or if you have a newer truck and are getting 6,5 miles to the gallon .61 cents per gallon. Now you want the company or customer to pay for all of your fuel and still pay you $1.00 per mile for operating your truck and yourself LOL Heck at those cost they can go expedited and just stop using container all together. Just priced your self out of a job hand. When you boys want to talk real numbers or ask real questions post up. But with the kind of math jjharris uses I suggest finding a new job because you will never be satisfied.
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Post by savporthauler on Apr 3, 2011 12:05:24 GMT -5
i don't know how long you been in trucking friend but that's been the national average on figuring miles per gallon for years. it's called good business practice. if you have a truck getting 6.5 miles per gallon all the time more power to you. maybe you can make another dime if that helps at these cheap rates but i seriously doubt it. idle time at your customers dock, city driving, and all the bulls#^t maneuvers spent at the harbor exchanging equipment will reduce your fuel mileage plus waste your valuable time. one problem right from the top with any of your calculation is that you have neglected to consider none of these agents,brokers,companies at this port are talking actual true distance miles paid to or back from their customer to origin in the first place. your getting f%*ked on actual trip mileage before leaving out the gpa terminal gate. now just suppose for a minute these are the actual documented hub miles to customer and back to the port. at your incredibly generous freight figures including fsc paying a $1.26 per mile that only leaves left $.59 per mile to truck/driver after the 6.5 per gallon fuel mileage estimate. that's certainly not much to pay all truck related expenses including yourself something afterward which surely would be below poverty level at this margin. good luck with your trucking venture if you expect to make it at this rate. no i don't call working just to keep busy a job, at least not for my truck or myself. others here will agree i'm sure. i know i didn't go into the trucking business to haul cheap freight so i could please the company or your customer? operating equipment at these prices this is more like an earlier poster said,"a slow road to bankruptcy", which in the end you won't have a truck left to do anyone's job. i guess i'm just one of those independent individuals that can't be satisfied with pulling anything no matter how small the compensation is.
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Post by slwrdr on Apr 4, 2011 7:39:50 GMT -5
i don't know how long you been in trucking friend but that's been the national average on figuring miles per gallon for years. it's called good business practice. if you have a truck getting 6.5 miles per gallon all the time more power to you. maybe you can make another dime if that helps at these cheap rates but i seriously doubt it. idle time at your customers dock, city driving, and all the bulls#^t maneuvers spent at the harbor exchanging equipment will reduce your fuel mileage plus waste your valuable time. one problem right from the top with any of your calculation is that you have neglected to consider none of these agents,brokers,companies at this port are talking actual true distance miles paid to or back from their customer to origin in the first place. your getting f%*ked on actual trip mileage before leaving out the gpa terminal gate. now just suppose for a minute these are the actual documented hub miles to customer and back to the port. at your incredibly generous freight figures including fsc paying a $1.26 per mile that only leaves left $.59 per mile to truck/driver after the 6.5 per gallon fuel mileage estimate. that's certainly not much to pay all truck related expenses including yourself something afterward which surely would be below poverty level at this margin. good luck with your trucking venture if you expect to make it at this rate. no i don't call working just to keep busy a job, at least not for my truck or myself. others here will agree i'm sure. i know i didn't go into the trucking business to haul cheap freight so i could please the company or your customer? operating equipment at these prices this is more like an earlier poster said,"a slow road to bankruptcy", which in the end you won't have a truck left to do anyone's job. i guess i'm just one of those independent individuals that can't be satisfied with pulling anything no matter how small the compensation is. .59 cents per mile x 3000 = $ 1770 per week Which split down the middle is $ 885 for you and $ 885 for the truck Ok what am I missing you are making $46,020 doing something you like to do. I would say that's better than most. If you can find a job in this area paying more today I suggest you get at it but if not then I say do what most people do and keep the job you have and make the best of it.
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Post by chet on Apr 4, 2011 8:27:17 GMT -5
this slwrdr is no driver. .29 per mile is what your making dude. wonder if he would drive & operate a business for this amount? answer is no. he is doing what he wants to do.that is allowing you to make him money running like a stupid fool. you better off park the truck. drive for someone. the papers are full of adds paying lot more then this for drivers. you can make more driving with less headache. pay for your truck to sit parked until they willing to pay.
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Post by reggie on Apr 4, 2011 10:20:18 GMT -5
this is typical thinking by some deskjockey that doesn't do the work. man that's chump change. where do u come up with this crap. this broker basses his math on being able to drive 3,000 miles per week every week of the year for minimal pay. that's not going to happen pulling containers . even if this were true this is still no money for truck or driver. your killing yourself and your stinking truck. sadly there are those out here everyday that fall for this baloney. u can bet your ass these agents count on the ones that do. trouble is they have to have a never ending supply of suckers to keep their business operating because of the turnover rate. so far they have had an abundance of that. oh yeah he would love you to believe this is a great job opportunity. maybe when pigs fly.
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Post by largecar on Apr 4, 2011 15:26:50 GMT -5
There is no other explanation for a cheap rate other than it's a cheap rate. You can break it down all you want but it all comes out right back to being a cheap rate. At .29 cents a mile for driver pay you can only make it living in your truck or a cardboard box outside the port gate. Pack up and go somewhere else is my suggestion before you lose everything. I don't work for these general container rates. I never have in twenty two years of working out of this port. There is no future in going broke. I make out decent when I do short haul road work by managing to stay around $1.44/49 average empty/loaded with FSC. I move local drays at $55 a pop. No that's not the norm but I don't feel the need to stay busy by doing cheap work. If I work three days a week fine, six days fine. I'm leased to a company that prices a few of their lanes a little higher. Those are the only loads I will run. We don't get a steady volume on this work but that's fine with me. When my truck runs I make money, simple as that.
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Post by crunchtime on Apr 4, 2011 17:31:33 GMT -5
i don't know how long you been in trucking friend but that's been the national average on figuring miles per gallon for years. it's called good business practice. if you have a truck getting 6.5 miles per gallon all the time more power to you. maybe you can make another dime if that helps at these cheap rates but i seriously doubt it. idle time at your customers dock, city driving, and all the bulls#^t maneuvers spent at the harbor exchanging equipment will reduce your fuel mileage plus waste your valuable time. one problem right from the top with any of your calculation is that you have neglected to consider none of these agents,brokers,companies at this port are talking actual true distance miles paid to or back from their customer to origin in the first place. your getting f%*ked on actual trip mileage before leaving out the gpa terminal gate. now just suppose for a minute these are the actual documented hub miles to customer and back to the port. at your incredibly generous freight figures including fsc paying a $1.26 per mile that only leaves left $.59 per mile to truck/driver after the 6.5 per gallon fuel mileage estimate. that's certainly not much to pay all truck related expenses including yourself something afterward which surely would be below poverty level at this margin. good luck with your trucking venture if you expect to make it at this rate. no i don't call working just to keep busy a job, at least not for my truck or myself. others here will agree i'm sure. i know i didn't go into the trucking business to haul cheap freight so i could please the company or your customer? operating equipment at these prices this is more like an earlier poster said,"a slow road to bankruptcy", which in the end you won't have a truck left to do anyone's job. i guess i'm just one of those independent individuals that can't be satisfied with pulling anything no matter how small the compensation is. .59 cents per mile x 3000 = $ 1770 per week Which split down the middle is $ 885 for you and $ 885 for the truck Ok what am I missing you are making $46,020 doing something you like to do. I would say that's better than most. If you can find a job in this area paying more today I suggest you get at it but if not then I say do what most people do and keep the job you have and make the best of it. what you drivers need to do is try for once to organize your self like you mean it into a majority at this port. any company that thinks paying out fifty-nine cents per mile after fuel cost is making money needs to be shut down for good. make sure they don't have one truck left to operate with. your not going to do any of that with only a handful of agitators. get out and talk to other truckers one on one or whatever it takes to get them to join. start holding meetings once a month. yes there was a time that actually took place in savannah but the spirit got hijacked by outsiders. if you want this done right you have got to take the bull by the horns or get used to working here for pennies on the dollar. the most slippery of company managers have got this stealing from you down to a science. your going to have to break their balls if you want to win this conflict. whoever stays in business will pay what ever it takes to move their customers steamship line freight. oh yes they will because the customers are not going to let their product stayed tied up on the dock while negotiating freight rates. until that time comes you'll have to make the best of it like the man said.
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Post by cheezburger on Apr 4, 2011 19:48:06 GMT -5
if you are happy making 885.00 for 3000 miles you are part of the problem
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Post by slwrdr on Apr 4, 2011 20:19:30 GMT -5
if you are happy making 885.00 for 3000 miles you are part of the problem Well evidently my earlier post woke a few of you up....... Let me ask you all one thing what does it take to operate your truck a week? My above post lists $885 for the driver and $885 for the truck. Does it take less or more than the $885 to keep your truck up per week? What do you all think it should pay you per week to run 500-600 miles per day. $2000 per week $3000 per week I mean let's get real a good paying job around here today pays $12 -$15 dollars an hour. So you boys are working 11 hours per day max. $12 per Hour x 55 hours = $660 $15 per Hour x 55 Hours = $825 What am I missing? Maybe one of you boys can explain what your salary should be and WHY?
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Post by bobtailbob on Apr 4, 2011 21:10:50 GMT -5
please name which one of these fine paying jobs at $12 to $15 per hr that you have to purchase $25,000.00 to $80,000 in equipment to bring to work? maybe $12 to $15 is good for you in your line of work but that money sucks unless it's my grandson making that mowing lawns. he doesn't even have to furnish the gas or mower. also please explain to me how you figure 55 hrs per wk or 11 hrs per day is all we work or are you just counting time spent behind the wheel? i don't think you've been in this business very long. if so somehow you've missed out on what really goes on behind the scenes in trucking.
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Post by cheezburger on Apr 4, 2011 22:07:43 GMT -5
if your running 5-600 miles per day and making about 3000 aweek your making about a buck a mile,thats no money and your not clearing 17-1800 a week at todays fuel prices,so if you want to be a farmer go spread your sh$$ to someone else im not buying it,there isn't anyone one making money now and your not either.if a driver has to run 3000 miles to make 885.00 gross he is a fool too,after taxes thats about 700.00 bucks and my 23yr old son makes that a week mowing lawns,and I'm not kidding,I'm not saying driving jobs are paying any better but don't sit there and say that is good,your just showing that you don't have a clue or your just starting shi$
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Post by ilovdieselsmoke on Apr 5, 2011 19:46:59 GMT -5
This trucking agent, company manager or whatever he/she may be actually thinks $.59 cents per mile is sufficient money for an O/O trucker after paying for diesel. Fifty-nine cents per mile? That's if the mileage is even correct which I'm sure it's not. What else can be said here other than the word bankruptcy continues to come to mind soon as the truck breaks? This is truly what they think of each one of us. Sorry but this further shows how bad we need an owner-operator/driver association in Savannah with some type representation. This is no joke! It's really very sad what trucking has come to in the southeast. Containers are at the bottom of the barrel taking the rest of the trucking industry down with them. Oh I suppose I could do something else like the poster has suggested but why should I or anyone of you after spending years in a career that used to pay very decent money? I believe if these folk are determined to destroy this business why shouldn't they be the first to leave. If enough truckers would learn to work together we could rid Savannah Georgia of these leeches. I don't know of any other kinder words to describe them but, "blood sucking leeches." They're sucking the blood right out of the very people that make them money every day servicing their customers. Just about every company out here is violating federal and state laws while at the same time taking every one of you for a ride. NO, I didn't say every company but I'd be willing to bet the number is at 90+% of them. You know the ones. I don't have to tell any of you. Funny how many of them disappear off the radar for a spell when things get to HOT or they finally get caught but reappear under a new name or representing another out of town company. I don't know what the answer is but I can tell you this, what we are doing now isn't working so somehow we had better find a way to organize truckers in Savannah or we're doomed to sticking with the current plan. That is {the slowly going out of business for good plan}!!!
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Post by chainman on Apr 6, 2011 6:29:32 GMT -5
this is why i quit hauling containers last year. flatbed is much better but like you say the cheap container rates even drive down the local flatbed rates in savannah. at least i have my own trailer so i avoid having to lease to a company that takes advantage of that. hope you guys can succeed in making these port shippers pay. that is something they have not had to do for a long time.
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Post by BUBBA on Apr 6, 2011 21:45:13 GMT -5
Owning your own haul tractor making $12 / $15 per hour is called poverty in south Georgia or anywhere else that I know of except Mexico.
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Post by wintergreen on Apr 7, 2011 13:21:04 GMT -5
if you are happy making 885.00 for 3000 miles you are part of the problem Well evidently my earlier post woke a few of you up....... Let me ask you all one thing what does it take to operate your truck a week? My above post lists $885 for the driver and $885 for the truck. Does it take less or more than the $885 to keep your truck up per week? What do you all think it should pay you per week to run 500-600 miles per day. $2000 per week $3000 per week I mean let's get real a good paying job around here today pays $12 -$15 dollars an hour. So you boys are working 11 hours per day max. $12 per Hour x 55 hours = $660 $15 per Hour x 55 Hours = $825 What am I missing? Maybe one of you boys can explain what your salary should be and WHY? This was in jobs for you this morning-lowcountry: >Laborers needed now. IF YOU CAN USE A SHOVEL, WE CAN USE YOU TODAY. This is a full time position and you must be able bodied. Please send me an email with you name-number contact information and I will get back to you quickly as possible. Pay is $13.00 hr. Must speak English and bring proof of US citizenship.< I don't see anything about CDL,Hazmat certified,TWIC credential, tag, truck insurance,workers comp,accidental injury,cargo insurance,fuel, or bring a class eight truck to work with so that you can make this amount for your labor. In fact I find they supply all shovels & ride to job site from office!
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Post by dieseljockey on Apr 7, 2011 13:39:43 GMT -5
I'm sure there is a catch. They probably want you to sign a leasing agreement on the company shovel making you an independent contractor without employee benefits.
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Post by chickenhauler2 on Apr 13, 2011 15:42:59 GMT -5
i guess with fuel going though roof i suspect any day now steamship lines will stop shipping by truck unless we can promise to continue pulling for a buck & some pocket change per mile. yes i hear they have plans to dig canals to all destinations soon or add more door to door track. how is that working out so far? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Ladypowerdriver on Apr 17, 2011 10:12:13 GMT -5
hey man, that kinda pay isnt bad if you already are on foodstamps , have medicaid, not teeth to worry about, no family, or already paid for your funeral ; cuz if yah keep going at those rates then you atleast need go ahead and get a pine box (start sleeping in it now).
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Post by Captcrunch on Apr 30, 2011 22:39:28 GMT -5
ANOTHER SAVANNAH GEORGIA TRUCKING COMPANY LOOKING FOR TRUCKERS
WE HAVE TOO MUCH FREIGHT!!!
WE PAY $1.21 ALL MILES MINIMUM, NO MICKEY MOUSE LOADED/UNLOADED GAMES HERE!
CHOOSE YOUR SIGN ON BONUS: $1000, 200 GALLONS FREE FUEL, OR TAGS
OK @ $1.21 per mile that leaves .41 per mile to pay yourself & truck after fuel expense if actual miles traveled are paid which has been discussed here post after post. No they don't pay good miles. Looks like more MICKEY MOUSE rates to me! How about rest of you? Maybe instead of sigh on bonuses they'll wise up one day & start paying for servicing their customer base. Makes one wonder why they all have so much port freight & so few trucks to move it?
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Post by ann on May 6, 2011 15:09:19 GMT -5
if you are happy making 885.00 for 3000 miles you are part of the problem Well evidently my earlier post woke a few of you up....... Let me ask you all one thing what does it take to operate your truck a week? My above post lists $885 for the driver and $885 for the truck. Does it take less or more than the $885 to keep your truck up per week? What do you all think it should pay you per week to run 500-600 miles per day. $2000 per week $3000 per week I mean let's get real a good paying job around here today pays $12 -$15 dollars an hour. So you boys are working 11 hours per day max. $12 per Hour x 55 hours = $660 $15 per Hour x 55 Hours = $825 What am I missing? Maybe one of you boys can explain what your salary should be and WHY? 3,000 miles per week to make $855.00 in driver pay or should i say including the responsibilities of owner/driver pay. that works out to be a pathetic $.28 & 1/2 cents per mile. this is how bad we have all gone into the gutter. i really couldn't believe this posted by a trucking company but drivers this is what they consider we are worth to them. yes your so right mr. company person. my thanks to your crappy post for the wake up call. i will be attending the saturday morning savannah driver meeting called. as drivers we must do something to fix this problem or bid the port trucking business goodbye! i am disgusted while at the same time more determined than ever to take part in a cure after viewing this.
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