90centsamileisajoke
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Post by 90centsamileisajoke on May 6, 2011 18:59:46 GMT -5
I ran a dedicated route 600 miles a day and because of traffic, waiting in lines at the port, buying fuel, and waiting at the shipper it took me 14 hours everyday. Most days I run over by 30 min. to 2 hours. I was lucky to get 5 hours of sleep.These agents/brokers think we have it so easy. We take all of the risk and have everything to lose. They sit in a office make phone calls, faxes ,emails and work regular hours. Everything related to owning a truck is so expensive and our costs are always going up.They do not realize that we have to fund our own retirement, health insurance,and pay taxes. With the low cut throat freight rates and high fuel costs I think I am going to have to park the truck. i am so disgusted.
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Post by tex on May 6, 2011 20:56:28 GMT -5
no these agents realize what we have to pay out. problem is they don't give a s#^t. so far they have been able to find hundreds of suckers wanting to take a turn behind the wheel like it's the d**n california gold rush. yes i am fedup too. add me to the sav. driver meeting list. i don't care what we have to do but somthin has to put an end to this.
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Post by rubberduck on May 7, 2011 16:36:36 GMT -5
slwrdr wrote: ".59 cents per mile x 3000 = $ 1770 per week
Which split down the middle is $ 885 for you and $ 885 for the truck
Ok what am I missing you are making $46,020 doing something you like to do.
I would say that's better than most.
If you can find a job in this area paying more today I suggest you get at it but if not then I say do what most people do and keep the job you have and make the best of it." end quote
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What about all the weekly deductions Agents like you pile on to Owner Ops??
what about deducting at least $100 a week for your escrow? What about the deductions you charge for Insurance? even though most of us already have our own Operating Authority and with that our own insurance that meet your requirements?
Oh and let not forget the paperwork most Agents make owner ops sign saying we have to be deducted weekly for your insurance plan BUT YOUR plan doesn't cover our Trucks! can you say RIP OFF! Now we get deducted from our weekly pay for ins plans AND we still have to pay our insurance company to maintain our MC# and our Operating Authority.
Oh then there's my favorite...every lease agreements reads the same "...by signing this lease agreement the Owner Operator understands there is in no way an Employer- Employee relationship" IF there is no relationship then why are you deducting for our Worksman's Comp??? Cause I already have mine under my own Authority and its way cheaper than what your gonna deduct from my weekly pay.
You Agents want every single bit of info about us to keep us pushed down, even as far as what bank we have our trucks financed at! And if we say its paid off you start lowering your settlements claiming "well you don't have a truck payment."
But you freak out when drivers ask around about you.
And you still want Owner Ops to sign forms stating there is no "Employer-Employee relationship" and the reason why is simple... cause by having a relationship gives jurisdiction to Dept of Labor (DOJ) for criminal investigations if contacted by Owner Ops should things go sour!
The DOJ has no authority if there is no employer-employee relationship and Agents know this.
And then there's TAXES, federal, State, worksmans comp ect.... that Owner Ops still have to take out on ourselves... what about all this? suddenly that little $885 week check isn't so grand.
And You Agents also deduct all these high dollar escrows, fees and Insurance plans that just whittle down that $885 check to the Truck leaving a sorry excuse for paycheck.
Speaking of escrows, out of all the money you agents keep for NOT paying back escrows when a lease is terminated why aren't some of these chassis in better shape? or at least the local office/yard where we pick up our boxes in better shape? having 2ft deep and 6ft wide potholes on the yard is ridiculous! funny how the local yards are always nice and level right where the office personnel drive and parks their cars and SUVs ain't it.
Back to what I was saying, You agents all want all our history, personal info and even as far as where we finance our trucks at and then you slap us all with these deductions about every little thing but then at the end of year you hand us a 1099form!
I have never seen so many loopholes for "legal extortion" as I do around SAV Ports. We had to relocate here due to my wife office transferring her and thus as any good husband would do we all relocated.
I've had my own Operating Authority (MC #) for yrs now even back when it was called ICC# and its always paid more because I get out there every week and work to stay on top of everything. There were no deductions for Agent's INS plans nor Agents deducting for worksmans Comp ect cause I already had it under my own authority. But here in SAV these Agents are legally extorting the Owner Ops.
Dump trucks owner operators around here make way more money than OTR Owner Ops and that ridiculous.
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Post by facts4u on May 8, 2011 8:03:07 GMT -5
just as soon as the diesel prices drop back down a bit the whining will stop in savannah. that's not anything new. it always does every time. it's usually always the same dissatisfied drivers who use these special circumstances to force their way of thinking on others. how much do you drivers think your really worth to us in the container freight business? i hate saying this but any uneducated high school drop out would be more than willing to take your place today. there are hundreds of unemployed georgian's who would jump at the opportunities you have as a driver or be able to own their truck. the gentleman stated earlier your doing something you want to do that doesn't require much brain power,physical effort or any substantial cash investment on your part. we provide all that for you on a weekly basis. your also being paid well for doing this job. we take all the risk. you don't even have to provide a decent credit rating to obtain a truck if you don't already have one of your own. we can take care of that problem for you. after becoming an independent contractor you can title yourself as being your own boss. the strong who show up for dispatch everyday save their money, remain drug free make it out here the weak who can't control their spending urge or vices don't. it's simple as that. how many other businesses offer you an opportunity to become a contractor without any sweat equity. none that i know of. i would be grateful to the companies who take that responsibility for you.
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Post by rubberduck on May 8, 2011 10:44:53 GMT -5
my reply is towards the AGENT posting as " facts4u"
if what you posted is TRUTH then why aren't all you Agents purchasing your own fleet of trucks and making all this "good money" !!!
Answer is simple--Too much overhead for the money you're paying towards the trucks.
there's an old saying..."put your money where ya mouth is"... you Jackass.
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Post by doc on May 8, 2011 12:19:43 GMT -5
just as soon as the diesel prices drop back down a bit the whining will stop in savannah. that's not anything new. it always does every time. it's usually always the same dissatisfied drivers who use these special circumstances to force their way of thinking on others. how much do you drivers think your really worth to us in the container freight business? i hate saying this but any uneducated high school drop out would be more than willing to take your place today. there are hundreds of unemployed georgian's who would jump at the opportunities you have as a driver or be able to own their truck. the gentleman stated earlier your doing something you want to do that doesn't require much brain power,physical effort or any substantial cash investment on your part. we provide all that for you on a weekly basis. your also being paid well for doing this job. we take all the risk. you don't even have to provide a decent credit rating to obtain a truck if you don't already have one of your own. we can take care of that problem for you. after becoming an independent contractor you can title yourself as being your own boss. the strong who show up for dispatch everyday save their money, remain drug free make it out here the weak who can't control their spending urge or vices don't. it's simple as that. how many other businesses offer you an opportunity to become a contractor without any sweat equity. none that i know of. i would be grateful to the companies who take that responsibility for you. what's wrong sleeeeeeeeeeeezebag? your mom have to report to work at the gold club today? i'm sure she'll be receiving plenty of mother day roses between dances  |
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Post by highcube on May 8, 2011 15:49:29 GMT -5
it's usually always the same dissatisfied drivers who use these special circumstances to force their way of thinking on others. goly,gee wizzz,the local agents should know something about brainwashing  |
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Post by rubberduck on May 8, 2011 16:57:16 GMT -5
...force our way of thinking onto others...?? lying Agents SAY WHAT?!!!
if this was true the rates would be paying more.
By the rates staying dirt cheap and certain companies/agents not being able to pay on time let alone always having an excuse why the FSC is not keeping up with the rising cost of diesel and yet the DRIVERS ARE STILL HAULING YOUR FREIGHT just proves who is brainwashing who here. It also proves who is FORCING their way of thinking onto others here doesn't it?
There is one question I would like all AGENTS to answer...What would you do if starting tomorrow morning OWNER OPERATORS ALL ACROSS AMERICA STOPPED HAULING YOUR FREIGHT?
I'll still have my Truck after freight backs up, you lose your contracts and customer base and your business goes broke.
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Post by Ladypowerdriver on May 8, 2011 19:43:00 GMT -5
Have you ever heard the saying, " If you have to ask-forget it!" I'm not even gonna ask whether you are on CRACK. But its seems to me, some pencil-pushing, driver-pushing, freight-pushing agents think they are the only ones who need medical/dental insurance, operational cash flow, retirement plans, two cars, two houses, two boats, two Winnebago's, and whatever the heart desires. Has anyone heard of something called the " cost of living"? Which is increasing and has been for the last 15 years. Even if FUEL was not in the equation- the freaking freight charges that are passed onto drivers are the same(if not less) than 1999. You think it's just fuel driving up the prices?!!!! Get a life. If the increase is not passed on to the truck owners then they cannot afford to pass it onto the drivers(whomever it may be). I once knew an agent who put a second mortgage on agent's own house to do what had to be done for the business. The agent was a fighter, raised kids alone, and worked hard to provide for all. Later in life, the agent passed the same dedication to the business. The agent came a long way but NOT at the expense of the drivers. To this day, the agent doesn't have two houses, two cars, two boats, two Winnebago's, but does have a loving-family, and a striving business. Unfortunately, the agent's health has been compromised in the process. Needless to say, " Doing the right thing doesn't come without a price in this business"............ "The true soldiers never come out unscathed", a man once remarked about this particular agent. That's one is one in a million though! This stuff is just falling on deaf ears. Why ask questions that have already been answered within the same forum. [glow=red,2,300]you think it's that simple, Hugh, two factors in your equation[/glow] if you are happy making 885.00 for 3000 miles you are part of the problem Well evidently my earlier post woke a few of you up....... Let me ask you all one thing what does it take to operate your truck a week? ) My above post lists $885 for the driver and $885 for the truck. Does it take less or more than the $885 to keep your truck up per week? What do you all think it should pay you per week to run 500-600 miles per day. $2000 per week $3000 per week I mean let's get real a good paying job around here today pays $12 -$15 dollars an hour. So you boys are working 11 hours per day max. $12 per Hour x 55 hours = $660 $15 per Hour x 55 Hours = $825 What am I missing? Maybe one of you boys can explain what your salary should be and WHY? |
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Post by twistlock on May 9, 2011 21:36:58 GMT -5
These companies are giving us a shellacking on the FSC. Don't believe for a minute that your getting a full 100% without some type skimming going on. If they are so open, so honest than how about showing the customer invoice on our percentage rate. Ask one to do that and you'll receive a shovelful of BS.
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Post by 88freight on May 23, 2011 19:44:20 GMT -5
Well run for your self then at least u will make more ,or change what u do if you all are so unhappy God is Blessing me . I feel blessed ,and it wont change unless you change it for yourself .I dont get whats going on on this load board its kinda crazy. I believe there is money to be made other wise big company's would not be in the containers .stop thinking how you can be employed by others and employ yourself and you will cut the middle man. OH there is always bio diesel it cost 52 cents to make bio diesel and your truck can run on it . Cut the gas man to . You all need to look out side the box .
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Post by virginiabeach on May 23, 2011 19:52:03 GMT -5
great idea  everyone become a motor carrier. wonder where i have heard that line before  |
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Post by 88freight on May 24, 2011 4:13:44 GMT -5
humm well are you do you have your own trucking company meaning your MC# DOT AND SO ON or are u just a motor carrier. |
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Post by gearhead on May 24, 2011 14:46:57 GMT -5
you don't have to have an mc,dot# to lease,trip lease. i have been trucking for thirty six years. i understand what the majority of truckers on here are talking about. we need more money for providing our trucking services. in order to do that we need to work together as a large group of owner/operators or drivers. as a one truck operator i have no desire to apply for my own trucking rights. if the companies ceased stealing money or rate cutting to take freight from the next guy we all would be in much better shape. they also wouldn't have such a high turnover rate always looking for truckers. that's not going to happen without conflict so if anyone really wants to see change they had better get serious about preparing to fight for it.
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Post by 88freight on May 24, 2011 18:12:08 GMT -5
Good ,Gearhead. sense you have been doing it for so long,Tell me if you who how I go about getting loads. I thought this board was for help all I have found is people that are not happy .I am happy . I just want info PLease let me know . I am just a green horn at this I have been in the dental field for about 13 years and I am changing fields .
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Post by agt4u on May 25, 2011 5:45:21 GMT -5
hey 88. how much are you going to ask per mile for your truck and yourself to do the job? how much will you haul a few boxes to north atlanta ga from savannah port for? i know someone looking to move fifteen container loads in next two weeks with around 50,000 cargo weight each. they are willing to pay $610 per box but you have to have own authority. that's a flat rate with fsc included.
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Post by rule1 on May 25, 2011 9:58:13 GMT -5
hey 88. how much are you going to ask per mile for your truck and yourself to do the job? how much will you haul a few boxes to north atlanta ga from savannah port for? i know someone looking to move fifteen container loads in next two weeks with around 50,000 cargo weight each. they are willing to pay $610 per box but you have to have own authority. that's a flat rate with fsc included. Are u talking about the ones to Texarkana, Texas? That guy has been looking for a couple of months now. He was offering $1000, flat rate with fsc. Stay safe  |
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Post by rule1 on May 25, 2011 10:47:39 GMT -5
Good ,Gearhead. sense you have been doing it for so long,Tell me if you who how I go about getting loads. I thought this board was for help all I have found is people that are not happy .I am happy . I just want info PLease let me know . I am just a green horn at this I have been in the dental field for about 13 years and I am changing fields . Gearbox is correct about not needing your own DOT number to lease. This is the problem and I think most O/O's will acknowledge that "hanging out your own shingle" does come with a high cost. You need a fleet of trucks or high $ loads to minimize those expenses. With one truck and heavy competition your options are limited and a high volume of low $ loads does not minimize expenses.
With that said, It's your truck. So, go out there with the mentality of "this truck makes money & I make money."There are several carriers/brokers you can sign up with. Check the various load boards. There are also many references on this site that can help you. The main thing is; before you hook up. Know your mark up. 1. What does the load pay (gross) 2. Subtract: What are my estimated expenses/load (fuel, permits, truck payments, insurance, repairs, etc)-use expense allocation 3. Compare that number with: What $ amount do I need for the day/week or whatever metric your goals are for your business. I will help you any way that I can. I am an Independent driver. Stay safe |
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Post by rule1 on May 25, 2011 11:15:50 GMT -5
I'm sure there is a catch. They probably want you to sign a leasing agreement on the company shovel making you an independent contractor without employee benefits. Driver there are HUGE benefits to being independent. In particular, the "employee benefits" you reference from employers are group benefits and you can't take them with you when you leave the employer for that "higher paying" load that includes more of your pay going toward benefits. There are several plans that can lower your premiums while providing more coverage. Care to compare policies!! There are other less important ones like; the Financial Freedom of having more money in your pocket, lower taxes, and a higher rate of return on your retirement, just to name a few. Stay Safe |
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Post by goingbroke on May 25, 2011 17:26:24 GMT -5
hey 88. how much are you going to ask per mile for your truck and yourself to do the job? how much will you haul a few boxes to north atlanta ga from savannah port for? i know someone looking to move fifteen container loads in next two weeks with around 50,000 cargo weight each. they are willing to pay $610 per box but you have to have own authority. that's a flat rate with fsc included. port-atlanta-back to port?that's more cheap container crap. i'm talking too cheap for even o/o leased to company to considermuch less truck owner with mc rights. you come out making less than driver pay for running own truck. $400 in fuel,heavy load,bankruptcy |
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Post by 88freight on May 25, 2011 18:23:53 GMT -5
hey 88. how much are you going to ask per mile for your truck and yourself to do the job? how much will you haul a few boxes to north atlanta ga from savannah port for? i know someone looking to move fifteen container loads in next two weeks with around 50,000 cargo weight each. they are willing to pay $610 per box but you have to have own authority. that's a flat rate with fsc included. Well how can you be reached, or the person that needs the freight moved. I be move then happy to talk to one of you about it . But not on here you let me know how you can be reached. one way or round trip I wouldn't want it if its round trip. |
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Post by 88freight on May 25, 2011 18:29:30 GMT -5
Good ,Gearhead. sense you have been doing it for so long,Tell me if you who how I go about getting loads. I thought this board was for help all I have found is people that are not happy .I am happy . I just want info PLease let me know . I am just a green horn at this I have been in the dental field for about 13 years and I am changing fields . Gearbox is correct about not needing your own DOT number to lease. This is the problem and I think most O/O's will acknowledge that "hanging out your own shingle" does come with a high cost. You need a fleet of trucks or high $ loads to minimize those expenses. With one truck and heavy competition your options are limited and a high volume of low $ loads does not minimize expenses.
With that said, It's your truck. So, go out there with the mentality of "this truck makes money & I make money."There are several carriers/brokers you can sign up with. Check the various load boards. There are also many references on this site that can help you. The main thing is; before you hook up. Know your mark up. 1. What does the load pay (gross) 2. Subtract: What are my estimated expenses/load (fuel, permits, truck payments, insurance, repairs, etc)-use expense allocation 3. Compare that number with: What $ amount do I need for the day/week or whatever metric your goals are for your business. I will help you any way that I can. I am an Independent driver. Stay safe WEll finally a bit of Good info. cool thank you so much for the words of encouragement I was feeling a little bleak about it to day. |
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Post by slowdown on May 25, 2011 19:28:00 GMT -5
This is exactly why I don't run Atlanta, GA for pennies on the dollar. I don't care what the company makes but these loads should pay the owner-operator trucker at least $800.00 a round trip from Savannah to Atlanta back again. It's simply madness to run your truck for any less. I'm in business to make money, not do favors for the trucking company or their customers. They're all doing just fine. Look around at the life style most these agents live. Who do you think is making them that $$$? That's right, YOU!
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Post by clipboard on May 25, 2011 21:31:58 GMT -5
with so many knot heads at this port. how to inform them i dunno. we are surrounded by agent groupies who say yes to every load.
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Post by WillEstils on Oct 24, 2019 2:10:01 GMT -5
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everyone become a motor carrier. wonder where i have heard that line before 
