Post by petedabroker on Aug 7, 2008 19:08:57 GMT -5
This post below was put on my page but I believe it has vital importance to be viewed. It places blame for delays in the lap of the folks who cause them, making the ones who cause the problem made to be in the postion of solving that problem. Read and make comment. Thanks,
Ok, now we are getting somewhere.
truckerusa,
How long does it normally take to run a round trip container, and as a part of this question, how much do you get paid?
Hourly rate matching a $150 flat rate would be made in 2hrs. (in your figure of $75.00/hr), $150.00. You are not sitting at the pier hoping you get detention, you are getting detention in the form of an hourly rate. You don't leave the pier promised one thing, only to hear Dilbert the dispatcher say, Oh, sorry truckerusa, I was wrong , the shipper is not paying detention, or better yet, can you s#*t me the time card from the pier, or Dilbert says, hey truckeruse, you get paid , when we get paid. I love that one. Plus with the pier, on round trip basis, being the start and finish point, your stay is well documented. All rates are uniform, all payouts are uniform, no questions related to detentions.
One hour free at the pier?? Really ask yourself, does that make any sense? You should not give a minute free. Who in the f**k in todays world gives anything for free? When you get into a taxi, does the driver say, boy your lucky day , the first five minutes are on me? When your computer guy shows up, does he say, I love the color of your eyes, I will give you 20 minutes free. With this form of billing, your free time is a thing of the past, it does not exist anymore. That is exactly what got you were you all are today. Free to who? Free to a shipper who makes a bundle making and shipping out his/her products. Free to Dilbert your dispatcher? Wow, Dilbert I love you man, here take an hour free. f**k Free.
Here is how it works, You are paid from the documented time you enter the terminal. I guess you can say the drive to the pier was free, only because there is no impartial gauge for that time spent, hence no manner to prove. Ok, you enter the pier at 9am, gate pass issued for that time, you got get your empty, go to M&R to get a tire changed, T.I.R. outbound issued for 11:00am, you travel, 30 miles for the load, now 11:45am, shipper backs you in, loads you, now 12:45pm, arrive at pier at 1:30, load finished getting received at 2:15pm= 5.25hrs.X$75.00= $393.75. Are you now making more per day? You still can get a load to bring back to the yard for tomorrow. Ok, Peter, how is that calculated? Remember you have an inbound T.I.R, and that time stated 2:15 , so now you calculate 2:15 to the time the outbound T.I.R. is issued for the new load, which is 3:15Pm. Takes 30 minutes to get back to the yard. You now have 1hr 30 mins on the new load. You leave the next day from your terminal, clock exit ticket at your trucking companies front gate, you are back on the clock. Everything is tracked via container number for hours applied. Oh, so you say your shipper does not like the idea of paying for you to return to your terminal. You give them a choice, either you exit without their container, starting over again the next morning for their load, or if they want it badly enough you charge for the return to their terminal, or one more choice, they can stay and wait for you to be loaded, take back to terminal and do the same thing on your exit ticket start at terminal the next morning. It is simple, all well documented, nothing done without a related cost. Trucking company is billing per hour too, so both are making money no matter what is happening.
Bad day at the pier. Shipper calls the steamship lines and starts to scream at them , not you. You arrived on time, it took them five hours to fix a problem, guess what, it was never your fault. Its the pier problem. Shipper takes it all out on the pier/steamship lines. Responsibility for delays is in the lap of the company that caused the delays. You did your job. Guess what else, that shipper can then continue to use a bad line, poor pier service or go to another that does not cause delays. You solved another problem, now the pier/steamship lines actually need to answer to the shippers/importers directly about delays and compete. That problem was never your problem. Now its the pier/steamship problem. If that shipper pays you for a dray and it equates out to $300 for round trip and another pier it only takes $225.00/round trip, guess what , he is moving his business to the line that services him best. Problems solved. You can now sit at the pier, and any delay is documented as being a pier delay, not you anymore. Ask you dispatchers how many times per day they get calls from their customer saying "Where the f**k is your driver". He calls you on the phone, you tell him you are still in line, he screams at the dispatcher, the dispatcher screams at you, everybody is pissed off at each other, and guess what, it is not any of your faults, it was the pier delaying either entry or exit, or equipment problem.
How long do you thing the steamship lines will allow their equipment to continue having problems , when daily they are either losing customers or getting yelled at??? NOT LONG. Gentleman and ladies, it places the responsiblity right in the lap of the offenders, and you are now getting paid for your time.
What do you thing those steamship lines do when their loading times for the ships are disrupted. They do a charge back to the stevedoring company doing the loading/unloading. They screem on the phone to get the f**king job done and let the ship leave. Time is money. Ok, is the steamship lines money more important than your money?
You all have worked a lifetime and without the real responsibility for delays ever changing. Not even being addressed most of the time. You pay for the pier delays and equipment failures. Excuse my French, but you guys/gals , have to be the nicest people I ever meet. Can you all lend me some money. Seems to me you are all rich folks. You don't need your money. Give me some of that money. Hell you are giving it to steamship companies for free. I am a nicer guy than any steamship company.
Which brings me to another point. Having equipment available upon entry into terminal. That was a use to be situation, when containers first started. ILA would supply drivers to place equipment onto chassis, good chassis already sent to the M&R lines, ready to go. Guess what? The ILA gave those jobs away to truckers to do it for free, as part of a new labor agreement. Yes, you got royally f**ked and so did the ILA drivers. Yes, they kept their benefits high, pay high and you all are paying for it now and for 30 years in the past. Believe me , when and if this thing gets started, there will be no free rides for the steamship lines anymore. They will pay for everything. They will be accountable to their shippers/importers. ILA will also be accountable to the steamship lines in terms of delays at terminal. Steamship lines hate me. They told me at meetings, hey idiot Pete " we don't have enough chassis to mount each container so the driver can just show, hooks and leaves. I said, Hey idiot , don't you think I know that, what about my trucking company booking 24 hrs in advance for the containers I need to pull, you order labor the day before, on the basis of what I said I will pull from the pier. I don't show up , hit me with a penality of $300 per container. I will guarantee you I will show up. If all the chassis are booked then give me the next day to have mine ready. Folks this is so simple, but is made to be crazy. It does not need to be crazy anymore. I got the answers to all the problems. If the steamship lines has 82 chassis at terminal for a vessel discharge of 3,000 teu's , how in the hell can they support timely pick up and delivery. They cannot , so they will get more chassis. Now say they have 500 chassis and labor (ILA) can load 350 per day. The first 350 bookings called in by the trucker gets mounted. Wether they be loads or empties for export bookings. Once they get 350 bookings, its cut off. So you will try to call early for your containers. You get bookings and delivery orders usually fairly early and can guage how many you could handle the next day. The steamship lines would not allow any truck bookings to occur if the container is not completely cleared customs, duty paid and ready to go. The steamship lines would not allow any truck bookings to occur if the export booking is not in their system. Once the containers are ready to move, book your asses off. The good trucking companies will get more work. They do it right. The ones who fail to book timely never get loads. They are bad companies for a shipper/importer to deal , so they move the business to ones who are good. Price does not matter its all basically the same.
Now the good companies, really start making out. They can charge a little higher for much better service. Boy, doesn't this all make sense?
? See what I am say??
Any questions just post and I will reply.
Petedabroker
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Ok, now we are getting somewhere.
truckerusa,
How long does it normally take to run a round trip container, and as a part of this question, how much do you get paid?
Hourly rate matching a $150 flat rate would be made in 2hrs. (in your figure of $75.00/hr), $150.00. You are not sitting at the pier hoping you get detention, you are getting detention in the form of an hourly rate. You don't leave the pier promised one thing, only to hear Dilbert the dispatcher say, Oh, sorry truckerusa, I was wrong , the shipper is not paying detention, or better yet, can you s#*t me the time card from the pier, or Dilbert says, hey truckeruse, you get paid , when we get paid. I love that one. Plus with the pier, on round trip basis, being the start and finish point, your stay is well documented. All rates are uniform, all payouts are uniform, no questions related to detentions.
One hour free at the pier?? Really ask yourself, does that make any sense? You should not give a minute free. Who in the f**k in todays world gives anything for free? When you get into a taxi, does the driver say, boy your lucky day , the first five minutes are on me? When your computer guy shows up, does he say, I love the color of your eyes, I will give you 20 minutes free. With this form of billing, your free time is a thing of the past, it does not exist anymore. That is exactly what got you were you all are today. Free to who? Free to a shipper who makes a bundle making and shipping out his/her products. Free to Dilbert your dispatcher? Wow, Dilbert I love you man, here take an hour free. f**k Free.
Here is how it works, You are paid from the documented time you enter the terminal. I guess you can say the drive to the pier was free, only because there is no impartial gauge for that time spent, hence no manner to prove. Ok, you enter the pier at 9am, gate pass issued for that time, you got get your empty, go to M&R to get a tire changed, T.I.R. outbound issued for 11:00am, you travel, 30 miles for the load, now 11:45am, shipper backs you in, loads you, now 12:45pm, arrive at pier at 1:30, load finished getting received at 2:15pm= 5.25hrs.X$75.00= $393.75. Are you now making more per day? You still can get a load to bring back to the yard for tomorrow. Ok, Peter, how is that calculated? Remember you have an inbound T.I.R, and that time stated 2:15 , so now you calculate 2:15 to the time the outbound T.I.R. is issued for the new load, which is 3:15Pm. Takes 30 minutes to get back to the yard. You now have 1hr 30 mins on the new load. You leave the next day from your terminal, clock exit ticket at your trucking companies front gate, you are back on the clock. Everything is tracked via container number for hours applied. Oh, so you say your shipper does not like the idea of paying for you to return to your terminal. You give them a choice, either you exit without their container, starting over again the next morning for their load, or if they want it badly enough you charge for the return to their terminal, or one more choice, they can stay and wait for you to be loaded, take back to terminal and do the same thing on your exit ticket start at terminal the next morning. It is simple, all well documented, nothing done without a related cost. Trucking company is billing per hour too, so both are making money no matter what is happening.
Bad day at the pier. Shipper calls the steamship lines and starts to scream at them , not you. You arrived on time, it took them five hours to fix a problem, guess what, it was never your fault. Its the pier problem. Shipper takes it all out on the pier/steamship lines. Responsibility for delays is in the lap of the company that caused the delays. You did your job. Guess what else, that shipper can then continue to use a bad line, poor pier service or go to another that does not cause delays. You solved another problem, now the pier/steamship lines actually need to answer to the shippers/importers directly about delays and compete. That problem was never your problem. Now its the pier/steamship problem. If that shipper pays you for a dray and it equates out to $300 for round trip and another pier it only takes $225.00/round trip, guess what , he is moving his business to the line that services him best. Problems solved. You can now sit at the pier, and any delay is documented as being a pier delay, not you anymore. Ask you dispatchers how many times per day they get calls from their customer saying "Where the f**k is your driver". He calls you on the phone, you tell him you are still in line, he screams at the dispatcher, the dispatcher screams at you, everybody is pissed off at each other, and guess what, it is not any of your faults, it was the pier delaying either entry or exit, or equipment problem.
How long do you thing the steamship lines will allow their equipment to continue having problems , when daily they are either losing customers or getting yelled at??? NOT LONG. Gentleman and ladies, it places the responsiblity right in the lap of the offenders, and you are now getting paid for your time.
What do you thing those steamship lines do when their loading times for the ships are disrupted. They do a charge back to the stevedoring company doing the loading/unloading. They screem on the phone to get the f**king job done and let the ship leave. Time is money. Ok, is the steamship lines money more important than your money?
You all have worked a lifetime and without the real responsibility for delays ever changing. Not even being addressed most of the time. You pay for the pier delays and equipment failures. Excuse my French, but you guys/gals , have to be the nicest people I ever meet. Can you all lend me some money. Seems to me you are all rich folks. You don't need your money. Give me some of that money. Hell you are giving it to steamship companies for free. I am a nicer guy than any steamship company.
Which brings me to another point. Having equipment available upon entry into terminal. That was a use to be situation, when containers first started. ILA would supply drivers to place equipment onto chassis, good chassis already sent to the M&R lines, ready to go. Guess what? The ILA gave those jobs away to truckers to do it for free, as part of a new labor agreement. Yes, you got royally f**ked and so did the ILA drivers. Yes, they kept their benefits high, pay high and you all are paying for it now and for 30 years in the past. Believe me , when and if this thing gets started, there will be no free rides for the steamship lines anymore. They will pay for everything. They will be accountable to their shippers/importers. ILA will also be accountable to the steamship lines in terms of delays at terminal. Steamship lines hate me. They told me at meetings, hey idiot Pete " we don't have enough chassis to mount each container so the driver can just show, hooks and leaves. I said, Hey idiot , don't you think I know that, what about my trucking company booking 24 hrs in advance for the containers I need to pull, you order labor the day before, on the basis of what I said I will pull from the pier. I don't show up , hit me with a penality of $300 per container. I will guarantee you I will show up. If all the chassis are booked then give me the next day to have mine ready. Folks this is so simple, but is made to be crazy. It does not need to be crazy anymore. I got the answers to all the problems. If the steamship lines has 82 chassis at terminal for a vessel discharge of 3,000 teu's , how in the hell can they support timely pick up and delivery. They cannot , so they will get more chassis. Now say they have 500 chassis and labor (ILA) can load 350 per day. The first 350 bookings called in by the trucker gets mounted. Wether they be loads or empties for export bookings. Once they get 350 bookings, its cut off. So you will try to call early for your containers. You get bookings and delivery orders usually fairly early and can guage how many you could handle the next day. The steamship lines would not allow any truck bookings to occur if the container is not completely cleared customs, duty paid and ready to go. The steamship lines would not allow any truck bookings to occur if the export booking is not in their system. Once the containers are ready to move, book your asses off. The good trucking companies will get more work. They do it right. The ones who fail to book timely never get loads. They are bad companies for a shipper/importer to deal , so they move the business to ones who are good. Price does not matter its all basically the same.
Now the good companies, really start making out. They can charge a little higher for much better service. Boy, doesn't this all make sense?
? See what I am say?? Any questions just post and I will reply.
Petedabroker
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