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Post by confusedtrucker on Aug 13, 2010 6:00:59 GMT -5
Hey , when are you coming back this way . It is time to get real serious about doing something positive for a change around here
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Post by wildman on Aug 14, 2010 14:24:09 GMT -5
Hardtime--you figured this out a long time ago. The owner-operator is a manipulated employee. Contract reads independent owner/operator, but conditions are really you are an employee. Which manipulate means is to falsify skillfully in an unfair way to contract you into an agreement which have things that were not visibly there. Understand?
Most of us know we got work, not what kind of deal we got into--new contractor very nice at contract a**hole when showing you later he/she not so nice. Forced dispatched, screwed if you do not perform on demand, put you on a s*it list. The way I read things a contractor is there to perform and has met all qualifications. He/she has the skills, the equipment, pay all bills to maintain, license equipment, no training requred, the contractor also pays all taxes, insurance, including workmans compensation, no paid vacation--nothing and is only obligated to fulfill jobs accepted, not on sh*t list when job offered is refused.
Nor terms of being forced to wait in case some work will come up and you are told your presence is required until the agent is satisfied that there will be no call from heaven to give the agency another load.
I only work city. Got work, will do. No work, want to call it a day There is no pay to be forced to wait in case agent finds some bullsh#t work after damanding you wait late enough in the day that could be done the next AM.
Got suggestions?
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Post by shortcircut on Aug 14, 2010 21:23:33 GMT -5
You are right Wildman. If we are not employees but are independent contractors , then why do we have to fill out applications and give work histories ? Why do we have to wait until we get approved ? Why are contracts being broken if we refuse to do something we don't want to by the very companies we are leased to ? all things that need to be seriously considered !
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Post by wildman on Aug 15, 2010 9:48:32 GMT -5
To me this is simple. They (agent) do not know the law. Nor do the majority of the existing owner-operators. I think so far no one has had the nerve to take it to court. Nor do we have a way to represent ourselves with legal advice, unless one of us finally break down and find the right lawyer. I am in Savannah Ga., right now asking a lot of questions. Even not for my benefit it will help define Independent Owner-Operator vs Employee status.
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Post by dragonfly on Nov 21, 2010 10:20:00 GMT -5
Come on guys! You decided to become an o/o. Learn your resources and take responsibilty for your business. One of the best resources for us is OOIDA... spend the $35 or less if you are referred by another member. They will look over your leases and fight for you on many issues and this is included in your membership. BTT was sued bc of this and I personally went after Marine Transport of NJ because they do their fuel tax illegally. I know we have a lot of issues to work out with rates and these ports but sometimes I really wonder why some people buy trucks and get into it not wanting responsibilty for their business. Read the leases, know what your getting into, if you dont like it.. dont sign it.. find another company to lease on to!!
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Post by DieHardWorkaholic on Nov 26, 2010 9:27:28 GMT -5
I 'm also member of OOIDA but the mid west owner-operator association is not anywhere close the answer to our port problems. They're one of many tools but we need another means powerful enough to design an enforceable contract to protect our true interest. I'm not talking about trucking company one sided lease agreements. We must be on equal grounds when it comes to setting rates since we do the work and foot the majority of the transportation cost as O/O's. I'm not crazy over union representation but I'm not ruling that out either. In the meantime we need to look at other suggestions how to legally collective bargain as a group of independent truckers without running afoul of the law. I it can be done because I have read some good post on this site explaining the ins and outs of this subject.
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Post by papertrail on Nov 28, 2010 7:38:11 GMT -5
2011 will be the time to put something together. Keep up the conversation guys but how about calling a meeting in Virginia so everyone can listen to these ideas.
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