bad drivers

[lostinspace]

I went by a new company today to apply but after hearing what they pay I told the guy nicely I understand why he can't find trucks to pull containers. They have been here several weeks but can't get but handful of o/o truckers to work. Already three out of the ten they hired have quit. $1.02 loaded and $.87 empty plus fuel surcharge of another $.07 permile. What is it these jokers don't understand about what it cost us to move their boxes. Now fuel is back over $3.00 and companies continue to play these stupid games with us. He did offer sign on bonus if you last two months

[cheezburger]

HEY LOSTINSPACE you need to put out the name of this company so the other drivers wont waste there time fooling with them,glad to see we are all starting to say HELL NO//////////////

[shortcircut]

I talked to a driver who went over to C&K in Chesapeake Va and talked to the recruiter. They told the driver that they pay $1.00 per mile and that is IT ! So a run to Newport News would only pay about $80 to $90 total if that. No wonder they can't get any owner ops to come pull for them

[SCAGENCY]

AHH, how tru this is, typical, drivers b*t@hing about no money, but yet the ones that are b*t@hing are the same ones that NEVER MAKE ENOUGH MONEY!!! thats because they want to cherry pick every load!!! make 700$ on a 100 mile R/T, come to work @ 12 take an hour for lunch and go home @ 1, well guess what Princesses, its not gonna happen!!!
the normal in this business is 275$ a day after fuel, if you work 5 days and after fuel you clear at least 275$ a day then you should be able to make a living!!!! but most of these guys out here are just high school drop outs with nothing else to do but get a truck and drive, thinking that there is a pot of gold at the end of every load, well wake up!! this business has been the same for 35 years, it will come and go just like the worthless drivers, ill bet if you took a survey of crooked agents/brokers vs the crooked worthless drivers, ill bet you that you have at least 3 worthless drivers to every crooked agent!!
these guys cant manage there money, no nothing about there trucks, but expect to make thousands per week?!?! its so funny, they will some and go like they always have.. bounce from 50 different company's until nobody will hire them because the time it takes to get them hired on will be longer than they actually work!!!!
ahh sweet container business, poor drivers always getting s#*t on, give me a break, wha wha wha wha...
now thats not to say that there aren't crooked agents, i can name a few here in Savannah, but for the most part if you will work and be honest you'll find a good company that will take care of you..

[Slow Rider]

Nov 1, 2010 17:03:37 GMT -5 HardTimeTrucker said:

Oct 27, 2010 23:42:17 GMT -5 @Melissa said:

Sarah, I totally agree. The ones who are griping and complaining are the ones who don't want to work in the first place! They leave companies owing money for fuel, fuel taxes, damages they know they did, and then want to slander the trucking company for their mistakes while hiding their identity. They have to make themselves look good! (if only it would help ;D) If they would all learn "teamwork" be on time, communicate, and mistakes are going to happen no matter who you are, this industry would turn around. But for some reason, most drivers are all for themselves and themselves only, which defeats the whole purpose. We have a great group of drivers now and we take care of one another. It took us a while to weed out the bad apples, but we did it.

TEAMWORK Does this mean she wants the Teamsters to organize her company? I would much prefer to have the ILA do it for her.....

[/color]

You are kidding right?

The ILA is one of the biggest problems we face today in the Intermodal Industry.
Their Union is what slows you up at the port ...
Their Union is what keeps these chassis in the shape they are in..
The LOW LIFE BUMS they have working for them are one of the main reasons trucking is the way it is with their over inflated salaries tonnage bonuses for doing nothing but holding up the trucks at the port.

If you really believe the ILA is the way to go you are a fool and I would be hard pressed to follow your lead anywhere...

[cheezburger]

this is to the so called SCAGENCY,,,the job that you described sounds more like a agents life than a drivers,your the slime out here that really thinks we can survive when we are paying out on 60% on fuel then divide up the rest for 100 dollar per hour labor rates to have the truck worked on ,or high part prices,or even something so stupid like trying to feed our family's.t you really pissed me off with your response,you ask any agent out there why they don't own trucks and you will hear ,I'M NOT THAT STUPID I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO IT. so don't get on here and HIDE and run your mouth when all it really is that you have figured out drivers are wising up about waisting there equipment and hard work TO MAKE YOU A COMMISSION

[dropnhook]

Dec 25, 2010 17:37:38 GMT -5 @SCAGENCY said:

AHH, how tru this is, typical, drivers pregnant doging about no money, but yet the ones that are pregnant doging are the same ones that NEVER MAKE ENOUGH MONEY!!! thats because they want to cherry pick every load!!! make 700$ on a 100 mile R/T, come to work @ 12 take an hour for lunch and go home @ 1, well guess what Princesses, its not gonna happen!!!
the normal in this business is 275$ a day after fuel, if you work 5 days and after fuel you clear at least 275$ a day then you should be able to make a living!!!! but most of these guys out here are just high school drop outs with nothing else to do but get a truck and drive, thinking that there is a pot of gold at the end of every load, well wake up!! this business has been the same for 35 years, it will come and go just like the worthless drivers, ill bet if you took a survey of crooked agents/brokers vs the crooked worthless drivers, ill bet you that you have at least 3 worthless drivers to every crooked agent!!
these guys cant manage there money, no nothing about there trucks, but expect to make thousands per week?!?! its so funny, they will some and go like they always have.. bounce from 50 different company's until nobody will hire them because the time it takes to get them hired on will be longer than they actually work!!!!
ahh sweet container business, poor drivers always getting s#*t on, give me a break, wha wha wha wha...
now thats not to say that there aren't crooked agents, i can name a few here in Savannah, but for the most part if you will work and be honest you'll find a good company that will take care of you..

ilov reading this forum. my hats off to you guys who created this. no membership fee and forced membership to post on your forum. this openness allows everyone to see first hand many of the morons we lease to. yes this is truly how they think.
paid at least $275 per day after fuel? what the hell r u high school drop outs gonna do with all that money driver ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[oboy@ivorva]

(this business has been the same for 35 years, it will come and go just like the worthless drivers, ill bet if you took a survey of crooked agents/brokers vs the crooked worthless drivers, ill bet you that you have at least 3 worthless drivers to every crooked agent!!)

It took some time to do it but I just got through taking a phone survey of 8,879 drivers who haul out of the ports of Hampton Roads. Now 3,000 of these 8,879 drivers turned out to be worthless while 1,000 of the 1,021 motor carrier agents surveyed turned out to be crooks or just plain petty thieves. Your right, congratulations on your speculation.

So now we have 5,879 professional drivers ready to work but only 21 decent agents left to chose from. Maybe now the rates will improve

[gate4]

the deck is stacked with crooked agents in sugar town. you should know SCAGENCY better than anyone-just go look in the mirror stupid.

[cheezburger]

THESE AGENTS POSTING THERE THOUGHTS CLEARLY SHOW THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE HARD WORKING DRIVERS THAT IS MAKING THERE PAY CHECK.WE CAN HAUL FREIGHT WITHOUT THEM BUT THEY CANT MAKE A DIME WITHOUT US,THEY BETTER FIGURE THIS OUT SOON

[HardTimeTrucker]

Santa must'av dropped off a lump of coal in SCAGENCY's stocking hung by the chimney

[SCAGENT]

"Santa must'av dropped off a lump of coal in SCAGENCY's stocking hung by the chimney "

lol, no its not that Hard time, its just that all i hear is how the agent screws the trucker! and while in some cases thats true, but that puts all agents in 1 category, and thats not the case with my offices.
i have about 33 trucks in Charleston, half of them are good runners, and make money, the other half are marginal at best.
most of the trucks that come through have to be watched closely, they want comchecks for everything, cash on the card for EVERYTHING, i mean when a driver calls and ask for 20$ cash on his card, i mean really? how is it that your out operating a truck but you don't have 20$ in your pocket? when i ran a truck as an owner operator the only advance i ever got was for fuel, i wanted them to stay out of my money as much as possible, i bought my own tag,bobtail and psychical damage ins. I mean how can a guy just buy a truck, with no money,no tag,no ins NOTHING, and lease on to a company that supplies him everything! to me thats setting yourself up, i mean sucking on the corp tit isn't good business.

now on to cheezburger1,
How are you coming up with 60% fuel??? I mean either your running the wrong truck or you have a problem.
lets take an average run to Charlotte, using one of the runs that i have done in the past week.
run pays the truck 480, legal load no has you know the deal.
Charlotte is 210 miles, but using PC practical its 203 (some will differ a mile or two) so 210x2 is 420 rt miles, right? ok fuel right now @ the 159 is showing 3.11us per gallon. so lets just say 425/ 6.5 (because thats what my trucks are averaging per loaded mile, under 40k on the load) thats 65.38 gallons of fuel x 3.12 per gallon is 204$ of fuel, but well just say 215, 215 is not 60% of 480$ its a little under 45% and thats on a short run, and most can make a Charlotte run on 200$. now if you get out there and run 85 both ways then how is that my fault? is it big money? NO, but what are you expecting on a short run? Look, im not out here saying that its fair, nor am i saying that the rates are good, but i mean its been this way for years, and its never going to change, not in the foreseeable future anyway.
your not going to get rich in this business and work 10-11 hours a day, it didn't work for me back in the 80's and its not going to work now, maybe its just me, maybe im to old school to see the logic of the NEW WAVE drivers, but still, the numbers are what they are.
Its getting harder and harder as a fleet owner (that i am) as well as an owner operator, 1 tire, 1 pissed off DOT officer at the scale and your weeks done, how do you balance the scales? i cant tell you that, what i can say is that if your not making enough money then change the line of business your in, blaming the agent isn't going to make your check any bigger, its just another gloom dis pare and agony on me story......

now to everyone,
i do want to apologize if i came off as anti driver, because i am in no way anti driver, i stand up for my drivers, both company and o/o daily, however its rather aggravating to see drivers constantly blame the agent..because not unless its just the crooks that make the money, i sure haven't seen this wealth of money that agents are suppose to have, its the same deal, after office,lights,phones,gas,salary's and so on, hell its about the same as being an o/o. I will say id love to get my hands on these agents/carriers that are quoting this crap @ 1.10 a mile! thats just absurd, but as long as there stupid enough to take it, the forwarders are of course gonna pay...

[cheezburger]

OK SCAGENT,LETS DO THE MATH,YOU SAY YOUR FREIGHT PAYS 480 ON 420 MILES,THATS 114 A MILE ,IF THATS TRUE GOOD FOR YOUR DRIVERS.OUT OF SAVANNAH YOU CANT GET 114 PER MILE ON MOST FREIGHT BUT TO BE FAIR LETS USE YOUR NUMBERS.I'M USING 6MPG BECAUSE THATS A MORE REALISTIC FIGURE.SO THATS 70 GAL OF FUEL AT 3.28 A GAL 230.00 .MORE THAN LIKELY YOUR GOING TO WANT YOUR LOAD DELIVERED AT 8AM SO A GOOD DRIVER WILL BE THERE THE NIGHT BEFORE SO NOW YOU HAVE 8 HRS OF IDLE AT 1GAL A HOUR,THATS 26.00 MORE DOLLARS OF FUEL TO STAY WARM AND SLEEP.THATS 256.00 DOLLARS OF FUEL TO MAKE 480.00 OF REVENUE. 256.00 FOR FUEL ON 480.00 REV IS PRETTY d**n CLOSE TO 60 OK 55%PERCENT.NOW IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE DRIVERS PROVIDING YOU WITH TRUCKS AND THERE WORK AND YOU SAY THERE MAKING MONEY YOU HAVE NO CLUE.AND LETS REMEMBER IF YOUR GETTING A 1.00 PER MILE OUT OF SAVANNAH YOUR DOING GOOD,AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO THE TIME AT THE PORT.

[sow rider]

Dec 26, 2010 20:53:23 GMT -5 cheezburger said:

OK SCAGENT,LETS DO THE MATH,YOU SAY YOUR FREIGHT PAYS 480 ON 420 MILES,THATS 114 A MILE ,IF THATS TRUE GOOD FOR YOUR DRIVERS.OUT OF SAVANNAH YOU CANT GET 114 PER MILE ON MOST FREIGHT BUT TO BE FAIR LETS USE YOUR NUMBERS.I'M USING 6MPG BECAUSE THATS A MORE REALISTIC FIGURE.SO THATS 70 GAL OF FUEL AT 3.28 A GAL 230.00 .MORE THAN LIKELY YOUR GOING TO WANT YOUR LOAD DELIVERED AT 8AM SO A GOOD DRIVER WILL BE THERE THE NIGHT BEFORE SO NOW YOU HAVE 8 HRS OF IDLE AT 1GAL A HOUR,THATS 26.00 MORE DOLLARS OF FUEL TO STAY WARM AND SLEEP.THATS 256.00 DOLLARS OF FUEL TO MAKE 480.00 OF REVENUE. 256.00 FOR FUEL ON 480.00 REV IS PRETTY d**n CLOSE TO 60 OK 55%PERCENT.NOW IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE DRIVERS PROVIDING YOU WITH TRUCKS AND THERE WORK AND YOU SAY THERE MAKING MONEY YOU HAVE NO CLUE.AND LETS REMEMBER IF YOUR GETTING A 1.00 PER MILE OUT OF SAVANNAH YOUR DOING GOOD,AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN INTO THE TIME AT THE PORT.

Cheez I don't know one driver that gets there 8 hours early but if you do more power to you.
But the average driver might get there 1 hour early at best.

Now about savannah who do you pull for and what do you average per mile or do you even drive?

[SCAGENT]

Cheezburger1,

really on the Savannah thing? I run some freight out of Savannah now, its going to start being about 10 per day after the first of the year, the LOWEST paying loads i had are 1.07 all miles to the truck, using PC Prac of course.
WOW, i had no idea that rate to trucks are that cheap out of Savannah!!
I can honestly tell you that i am getting better rates than that out of SAV, Hell, i take allot of SSline freight out of Sav, MED @ that and im paying 1.05 to 1.10 all in to truck, if the load is overweight i pay 100% of the overweight feel to the truck and so on, i don't need any of the accesorial fees, i make my money on the linehaul and thats it, it take to much time of office personal to take 12$ here and 3.50$ there, i don't have time for that, however i know agents that are charging trucks 15$ per week for CARGO ins!! A driver brought me in his settlement and showed me, thats getting a little much, hmm, no wonder i have had trucks questioning about Savannah.
and to address the overnight thing, when we run Charlotte out of CHS, its only 4hrs up and 4hrs back, ao normally they just ride up early and come back to charleston,and heres another thing about my agency's that i NEVER found when i was a 1 man show, I personally answer the phone 24-7, and there is an on call person 24hrs, i couldn't stand to need somebody after 5pm and nobody would pick up the phone, really burns me......
Bottom line is, i am very fair with my trucks both company and o/o, and i have some really good ones because of it, i just don't like to be classified with the crooks out here, now what i mean?

[cheezburger]

I UNDERSTAND BUT WHEN YOU STAND IN A CROWD OF THIEVES IT IS HARD TO TELL THE GOOD ONES.MAYBE NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AGENTS ARE DOING HERE JUST TO MAKE THERE COMMISSION,THEY ARE HOARING US OUT,THATS WHY WE ARE NOT TRUSTING ANY OF YOU,AND NOT TO KNOCK YOUR PROGRAM BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE TO COMPETE TO GET THE FREIGHT,107 TO 110 STILL IS NOT ENOUGH TO OPERATE A PEACE OF EQUIPMENT AND PAY YOUR SELF.AND TO ADD TO THE FRUSTRATION NOW WE REALLY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS WITHIN THE HOURS OF SERVICE IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE IVE BEEN AT THIS FOR 34YRS SO I'M NOT NEW.

[cheezburger]

TO SOW RIDER IVE BEEN DRIVING FOR 34YRS I SOLD MY TRUCK 3 MONTHS AGO AND I'M DRIVING A COMPANY TRUCK FOR NOW STILL HAULING CANS.I NEEDED HOSPITALIZATION FOR ONE OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS SO THIS MADE THE MOST SENSE FOR NOW ,BUT I WILL BUY ANOTHER TRUCK AS SOON AS WE REPAIR THIS MESS A LITTLE,I WAS AVERAGING ABOUT 90 CENTS PER MILE WHEN A GOT OUT, THAT BROKE DOWN TO 50 FOR FUEL AND 40 FOR ME AND THE TRUCK,HELL I'M GETTING 34CPM NOW WITH BENEFITS AND NO REPAIR WORRIES DOING THE SAME JOB,AND YES I WAS ALWAYS AT THE CUSTOMER THE NIGHT BEFORE BECAUSE I JUST CANT GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND THEN WORK ALL DAY,REMEMBER HOURS OF SERVICE,YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM

[mrfixit]

your right. there is enough dumba$$e$ on both sides of the fence helping to create this mess. maybe this forum that you guys have can get something started that we can't. that is*narrow the field down to the majority of drivers working for only the good agents.the rest? well who cares. get the point!

[jarhead]

so what companies are worth a crap? i have a nice pete double wide that has been parked since last year. i figure when freiht starts to pay i will go get another tag but until then it will remain at the house. i miss driving it but i don't miss wearing my ride out working for peanuts.

[HardTimeTrucker]

Just to remind everyone... This forum is open to everyone to either join current membership or remain a guest poster. Just because you decide to join doesn't mean you agree with others on the hardtimetrucker forum. The choice is yours.. It's interesting how many industry people are actually reading this site on a weekly basis. I know this to be a fact. That's why we have never required anyone to officially join. Anyone can freely read or make post here.

Open is better even though sometimes a real pain in the A$$.

[cheezburger]

scagent dont leave us now,I'm not trying to run you off,just trying to give you a clear picture of things in Savannah,if you really have better paying freight out of Savannah I'm sure there are people on this site that would like to know more about it,where does it go too,i have friends with trucks just sitting,and maybe you can give some ideas of how we can get better money from your side of the table.i hope your not one of those SC agents that expects a truck to run loaded both ways for the same money.im really looking for input from the agents as long as there not trying to tell me how good we have it.

[SCAGENT]

o no man been sick as a dog over here,
you musta sent some Odo trucker sickness over here lol

[porthustler]

u need to put this in your add. then everyone will know what u really think about truckers dip $#*t ;D ;D ;D

[cornflake]

Dec 30, 2010 15:21:30 GMT -5 @bigdaddydrayage said:

Bunch of low life scum bags. These are the same guys that sell fuel,late for appointments etc. All you jerk offs deserve CHEAP freight! When we have good freight you guys screw it up and we loose it.

WOW, who wants to work for these people?

[findthatmoney]

You realy don't even know if that is a rep for Bigdaddy or someone posing as one .