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Post by shortcircut on Dec 19, 2012 21:04:38 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else , but, I hope the strike results in the ILA getting kicked out of any and all Va. Intermodal facilities permanently . Maybe then VIT can hire and fire those lazy basterds who dont want to do their jobs.
If there are scabs or some type on military personnel brought in to run the ports then I will cross and picket lines that are in my way of making a living and preventing me from paying my bills ...
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Post by Ga Trucker on Dec 20, 2012 11:43:49 GMT -5
I agree and wish they would do the same thing here in Ga, why is it we work our ass off and the ILA usually does nothing to help us except say it's not my job or I'm on break. Now that they can't get more money (and the average ILA member in Savannah makes just under 125,000) they are going to strike and oh by the way they got their bonuses 2 weeks ago if you were there a year it was 5,000 and up to 35,000 for long term guys. Somebody tell me why we should be supporting there sorry asses when all they do is screw us everyday. I would love to see them all left in the cold and new workers brought in.
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Post by Paul Lover on Dec 20, 2012 19:10:37 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else , but, I hope the strike results in the ILA getting kicked out of any and all Va. Intermodal facilities permanently . Maybe then VIT can hire and fire those lazy basterds who dont want to do their jobs. If there are scabs or some type on military personnel brought in to run the ports then I will cross and picket lines that are in my way of making a living and preventing me from paying my bills ... Paul, you really need to watch slandering all the companies and ports! Just a matter of time till they ban you from everywhere. Just saying your mouth is going to write a check your ass can't cash!  |
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Post by oboy@ivorva on Dec 22, 2012 10:14:50 GMT -5
If they did find a way to kick the ILA off the port what good comes from that. Say they get undocumented workers at $10 per day do you really think that will raise our rates for the money they save? We have plenty of idiots with us behind the wheel making much less money so what's our excuse? Look at McDonald's, they hire fifty idiots to do the job instead of six well paid workers who would probably turn out a better product in less time. I sat at MAC the other day for fifteen minutes because sixteen people couldn't fix three burgers without a united nations translator. If these guys go out I won't be crossing anyone's picket line on or off the port. No matter what I think about the unions action I'm not going to do anything for these companies who continue to screw us to the wall each week. Let the boxes sit. We should have found a way to take advantage of this situation before it happened but sadly efforts for drivers to unite have faded off the radar screen in Norfolk.
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 22, 2012 17:25:31 GMT -5
to the jackass who put my name out there , why dont you identify your self or are you not man enough ?
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 22, 2012 17:28:24 GMT -5
Oboy , I understand what you are saying , but , I am not saying cut their throats , I am saying make it so that if they dont do their jobs , they cant hide behind the ILA contract . God knows, if most of these idiots had to work and get paid based on what they actually do, they would be unemployed.
I know alot of ILA personnell and I like most of them , but here in the Hampton Roads area , there are alot who do as lillte as possible to get these trucks in and out of the piers
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Post by cityguy on Dec 22, 2012 17:54:03 GMT -5
but don't u only wish u had a contract?
that's the problem driver. we don't have contracts so the compainies pee all over us. we have a lease with the companies that is garbage. why is that difficulk for u driver. who cares what they do as long as i make mine. if u have a problem with certain ila workers take that to their local. they will talk with u. i never had one turn me away when i needed to discus a issue. in fact it got results.just don't be a fool like some drivers & go to the port running ur mouth. thats the worst posible thing to be a rat. use ur brain instead of flying off at the mouth.makes life much better 4 all & solves issues much quicker.
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Post by GangBoxII on Dec 22, 2012 21:00:20 GMT -5
OK, I must be missing something here. Why not take advantage of what the ILA is doing instead of bi$#%ing about a bunch of bu**s#*t like missed work. You know they will have news camera crews all over the waterfront so corner one and bring out the facts why we are dissatisfied with the transportation factor of the ports. Just shut the d**n trucks off and make a statement instead of trying to think how you're going to get in or out the port gates. That's not going to happen and will make truckers look like management little mice scampering for a meal. This is the perfect opportunity to bring out the facts why truckers are paid so much less then dock workers in this screwed up system we work in out here. They will be looking at every angle to add to their stories like how is this effecting our living. I would say not a fifth as much as working everyday for fuel money because the giant box retail companies don't want to pay for safety or their share of the road expenses. Don't blow this free stuff. Use it to our advantage.
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 22, 2012 21:57:32 GMT -5
I have a contract and my pay is based on the amount of work I do. I have no problem with getting paid based on my performance . when I work , i work hard and when I dont work, i dont expect to be paid for unperformed work.
I dont expect to be paid whn I stand around and talk to other drivers or when I stop working to talk on the phone or to take a break. every company job I had in th past required me to actually work until a break was permitted or lunch hour. I couldnt walk off 15 minutes before lunch break or leave my job for a restroom break without letting someone know where I was going or when I was coming back .
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Post by capecharles on Dec 22, 2012 22:52:35 GMT -5
pay based based on each thing you do is called piece work driver unless you are payed by hr. are you employee of a trucking company or maybe union member like ups,yellow,abf? now if your owner/op like me we all have one of those so called sorry contracts which is really not a contract at all. it's a truck lease paper not worth spit written to protect the company. im sorry that you have to inform your company your going to the bathroom. jeese, sounds like they own your life buddy.by federal rules while your on duty you are on someones time or your time unless your in the sleeper so you should be payed talking on phone, in the bathroom, or standing on your head at the loading dock. when they pay you for taking a load that should include all time on that assignment no matter what you are doing. your fed hrs' dont stop because you are waiting on box,chassis,clerk,toilet, snack machine,or whatever. the longshoremen guys have a contract too. problem is they are able to enforce it where we cannot so that makes them more clever in my book. maybe we should take a chapter from their book under advisement. when i chose a ld i expect to make enough money that includes all my time to the customer and back no matter what i am doing between point a and point b. thats' just good business practice. in a ten hr day driving or non driving we should figure our time as if we are on the clock for those full ten hrs straight. that way you don't lose. you cant break the day down in 21 off duty segments or it opens the door up for a box of freebies. my bank doesnt cash freebies and i cant make my truck payment in freebies.
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Post by cline on Dec 22, 2012 22:57:38 GMT -5
hey i would just inform my dispatch to come wipe my poop off. problem solved. he wont ask again what you are doing in bathroom. gureeeeeeeeeeeeenteed  |
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Post by dishrag on Dec 22, 2012 23:05:06 GMT -5
u drivers get back to work or u r fired. my company will be taking down names of any drivers who are caught at gate locations with dockers.{beware u will be punished severely}. that was notice on board friday. i say f&*k them. now i will positively be at the gates.if given the chance i will hold a f^&*king picket sign.
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 22, 2012 23:12:39 GMT -5
well , I have to pay my bills so no matter what anyone says or thinks, I will work! the world does NOT revolve around the ILA . everyone has suffered from the economy and the cost of fuel rising , well guess what , now its time for the ILA to face the real world as well ! Job cuts are inevitable, loss of pay too . Automation is a fact of reality , eventually even truck drivers will be replaced with technology as well, it is only a matter of time.
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Post by countrygirl on Dec 23, 2012 7:36:11 GMT -5
"truck drivers will be replaced with technology"
No they will be replaced with desperate drivers like you who have no self respect and are willing to do anything for a few dollars rather then showing some solidarity with others. I may not agree with the ILA union members but thankfully I'm not eat up so full of hatefulness and jealously that I have to continue bashing a group because a few made me mad at the port. If you are going to drive through the picket line just do it. Why continue to talk about it as though you need permission from other truckers. Do you think the clerks or mechanics that are so nasty to you at the port really care what you do? They probably expect this much. I doubt your few union friends will ever respect you again so before driving past them at the gate you had better think real hard about that. Don't be so quick to judge everyone by a few bad apples. Being a trucker you should know respect works both ways.
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 23, 2012 9:55:04 GMT -5
actually I have I have alot of selfrespect , I am proud of what I have worked for and I dont want to lose it because of some loser like you who is so greedy that they are willing to sacrifice others to show their butt . as far as respect goes , its losers like you who run your mouth and will not stand up for yourself. I know the ILA has lost benifits and other things over the years , but , so has every one else . I will fight for what I have , and I will do my best to keep it , even if I have to walk over horses asses like you !
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Post by rjones56 on Dec 23, 2012 16:24:01 GMT -5
I`m glad I don`t have to worry with these port trucking companies dictating what I have to do.It is my decision whether or not to cross a picket line,and I will always chose not to.I`ve been port trucking off and on since the mid 80`s.The only way we will ever improve our situation is a united front.Those of you that choose to "get yours" no matter what are alot bigger problem than the ILA is to me.Your mindset helps these cutthroat port companies screw us all out of a decent living and i`m sure they appreciate your effort and will reward you one day...yeah,right.
Even though I can`t afford to lose money,and possibly customers(probably to you one way cutthroat port companies),I`m going to sit this one out after 12/28.Still hoping beyond hope that someone can lead us,the truckers,to some unity and financial gain.I know we truckers can`t count on the shiplines,or port trucking companies to help us.Might be interesting to sit outside the gate and watch those of you who do cross just so I will know who not to depend on.
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Post by rjones56 on Dec 23, 2012 16:24:43 GMT -5
I`m glad I don`t have to worry with these port trucking companies dictating what I have to do.It is my decision whether or not to cross a picket line,and I will always chose not to.I`ve been port trucking off and on since the mid 80`s.The only way we will ever improve our situation is a united front.Those of you that choose to "get yours" no matter what are alot bigger problem than the ILA is to me.Your mindset helps these cutthroat port companies screw us all out of a decent living and i`m sure they appreciate your effort and will reward you one day...yeah,right.
Even though I can`t afford to lose money,and possibly customers(probably to you one way cutthroat port companies),I`m going to sit this one out after 12/28.Still hoping beyond hope that someone can lead us,the truckers,to some unity and financial gain.I know we truckers can`t count on the shiplines,or port trucking companies to help us.Might be interesting to sit outside the gate and watch those of you who do cross just so I will know who not to depend on.
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Post by jumpstart on Dec 23, 2012 22:10:14 GMT -5
actually I have I have alot of selfrespect , I am proud of what I have worked for and I dont want to lose it because of some loser like you who is so greedy that they are willing to sacrifice others to show their butt . as far as respect goes , its losers like you who run your mouth and will not stand up for yourself. I know the ILA has lost benifits and other things over the years , but , so has every one else . I will fight for what I have , and I will do my best to keep it , even if I have to walk over horses asses like you ! does anyone know what or who shortcircut is talking about? i have worked hard to pay off my truck also but what's that to do with crossing a picket line? come the 29th if the strike is on i will be parked also. in my book that is the right move. for the ones here that dont remember. a few years back both the railroad and longshoremen helped us out in virginia when we were in a tight spot so who ever drives past their picket line deserves everything coming to them. jus my feelings on the subject. kato |
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 23, 2012 23:12:52 GMT -5
actually I have I have alot of selfrespect , I am proud of what I have worked for and I dont want to lose it because of some loser like you who is so greedy that they are willing to sacrifice others to show their butt . as far as respect goes , its losers like you who run your mouth and will not stand up for yourself. I know the ILA has lost benifits and other things over the years , but , so has every one else . I will fight for what I have , and I will do my best to keep it , even if I have to walk over horses asses like you ! does anyone know what or who shortcircut is talking about? i have worked hard to pay off my truck also but what's that to do with crossing a picket line? come the 29th if the strike is on i will be parked also. in my book that is the right move. for the ones here that dont remember. a few years back both the railroad and longshoremen helped us out in virginia when we were in a tight spot so who ever drives past their picket line deserves everything coming to them. jus my feelings on the subject. kato maybe you can tell me exactly what and when the longshormen supposedly helped anyone with because I have been in this business since 1994 and they havent helped since I have been around. as a matter of fact , the ONLY ones who offered to help was back in 2004 when there was a protest outside of PMT and the railroad engineers offered to shut down everythng because they thought the protest was Teamsters backed, when it actually wasnt . maybe you should get your facts straight before running your mouth. |
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 23, 2012 23:18:45 GMT -5
and by the way , a fellow female driver and myself helped organize that shut down , so again, get your facts straight before showing your ignorance
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Post by localtrk on Dec 24, 2012 0:11:00 GMT -5
i guess the ila didn't have any respect for your shutdown back then. is that the reason you continue to bash them? why not give it a break. you may need to seek some professional anger counseling if you cannot get over your hate for the dockworkers. it's sad you work in this business with that kinda road rage attitude toward port workers.
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Post by MD on Dec 24, 2012 1:17:56 GMT -5
I have been reading some of this crap with interest on the side without comment but after the last few post this is my two cents worth. I find this posters statement outrageous. Either he has a twisted sense of priorities or Mr, your just pulling everyone's chain wanting attention. Why would any driver on here threaten to run a legal labor picket line then talk about he was leader in a local trucker movement. This posters statement doesn't make any sense at all. I myself will not run any of my three trucks during this strike. I live in the Norfolk area and several years back I was a full time Teamster member. I do honor a labor picket whether it be one guy with a sign or two hundred. We should be supporting each other as truckers and certainly the dockworkers at this critical time. It makes no difference what the strike is about or your feelings toward that particular union. There comes a time for respect of all workers rights. How can we ever expect the same from dockworkers if we feel it's OK to dis-respect them.
It's time to grow up and quit acting like we're always getting our feelings hurt. Unless your a company stooge you need to make up your mind whose side you want to be on. The ILA union may never do anything for you or I but why risk that only chance we may have one day by pulling stupid stunts that will send their membership the message we are a bunch of union busters instead of fellow workers. Remember just as you and I easily read every post on this site so does everyone else at the port so when you make statements about running the picket line you play right into managements propaganda plan. If any of you really think that the motor carrier your leased to gives a crap about your future or well being you are beyond any help that can be offered on this forum. Have a good day everyone. Let's try to show a little unity if the hammer does drop this weekend or we'll face egg all over our face at the Virginia ports. I hope I don't see one truck after this weekend trying to sneak into the gate. I know there will be some company owned trucks but there is no excuse for one of us to even consider being a scab.
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Post by mark on Dec 24, 2012 8:29:31 GMT -5
just to add to this. i agree with most of you on this site about the strike if it happens this weekend. it doesnt benefit me at all what the dock guys do or don't do but i won't be driving my truck. it boils down to making a statement about myself. there are somethings that i do out of pride. i am not looking someone in the eye that i work around every day and driving past them during a strike. not only would be like spiting in their face but i would be doing exactly what the company owners and port would want us to do. i am not their slave puppet so this is one less truck they can subtract from their strike busting list.
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 24, 2012 12:58:37 GMT -5
like I said, I dontgive a d**n about the ILA and their losing their container royalty checks and guaranteed over time, nor do I care about the drivers who want to stand behind the ILA . I tried to help with organizing these drivers and they wont stand together , so be it ! I wil do what I have to to survive and pay my bills. if anyone has a problem with me and my attitude then so be it . I dont hide and I am out there most everyday trying to work to survive . if there is a problem that someone has with me , please feel free to walk up anytime and tell me so. we can talk like adults and figure out a solution.
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Post by shortcircut on Dec 24, 2012 13:01:43 GMT -5
and by the way , I am not trying to get attention and there are only a few ILA people I have any problems with . I wanted everyone to try to understand why I will be out there trying to work. I will not lose all I have worked for because these people are refusing to work . Most of this country has suffered because of this economy and so many have lost their homes and jobs because of it. well suck it up ILA worker, you are not anymore special than the person who drives those containers on and off the port or anyone else who works for a living in any industry ! everyone has had to make sacrifices and it is time for you to step up to the plate and do the same
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